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Working on Shifts. Here's a thought--I wish that if they were going… - The Phantom Librarian
Spewing out too many words since November 2003
fernwithy
fernwithy
Working on Shifts.

Here's a thought--I wish that if they were going to make tips mandatory (or expected, at any rate), they would just include them in the price instead of making customers do the administrative work of figuring out what to pay employees. I mean, it's not like you're not expected to pay it anyway. So just add the damned 15% to the price and call it good. You know... actually have the boss pay the wait staff rather than asking customers for handouts.

I don't feel like doing math at lunch. And I definitely don't like tipping for things that are overpriced already (hair styling, cabs, etc), and certainly not to owners, who set the price anyway!

Just griping.
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sixth_light From: sixth_light Date: September 28th, 2004 10:37 pm (UTC) (Link)
Couldn't agree more. Especially since tips is one of the things I'm dreading most when I do my OE - how much, to who, when and where? We don't do tips in New Zealand. You just...don't. People get insulted, because it implies they're in a lower social class. The best reaction you'd get would be "Hey, nice, extra cash from weird foreigners." Consequently, we tend to regard tipping with bemusement and worry when faced with it.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: September 29th, 2004 04:52 am (UTC) (Link)
That used to be the American attitude. I read it in Miss Manners, honestly! Actually, it's so ubiquitous now that I wouldn't believe it except that I was honestly raised to consider it optional and thought it was until I was in college and someone yelled at me and I found out that people were taxed on anticipated tips and not actually paid for them by their employers, who were allowed to pay less than minimum wage with the expectation of tips. IMHO, that needs to be legally addressed.

I have no idea how it happened that American workers changed their attitude about taking tips, or how to change it back. I think, aside from my griping about doing math at lunch, that it's just... icky.
leelastarsky From: leelastarsky Date: September 29th, 2004 01:21 am (UTC) (Link)
Tipping sucks majorly IMSHO, and I am forever grateful that it doesn't happen here (in Australia).
I agree, it should just be figured into the cost of the meal/service and the employee be allowed to have a wage they can count on.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: September 29th, 2004 04:54 am (UTC) (Link)
What a good reason to live in Australia.

Don't let it take root if it tries to.
lizbee From: lizbee Date: September 29th, 2004 02:02 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh, it's trying! Ever since Starbucks opened, actually, tip jars have been appearing all over the place...

But I never tip unless there's a jar, because some people do take offence. It's considered a double insult -- you're implying the employee is poor (not entirely sure why that's an insult; I'm poor, but whatever...) and you're implying that the business is shonky and pays less than minimum wage.

Actually, no, I'm hanging out in the wrong places. I know a woman who gets up to $500 a night from tips, but she works in an upscale bar.

If a tip jar is offered, I just put my coin change in. If not, I don't think about it. Taxing on anticipated tips is just weird.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: September 29th, 2004 05:37 pm (UTC) (Link)
And I never use tip jars. I only tip if there's at table service. If I've waited in a line and stood at a counter and paid too much for a cup of coffee, I'm sure G-d not throwing my change in a paper cup!
myf From: myf Date: September 29th, 2004 03:23 am (UTC) (Link)
Agreed. I've never really figured it out - isn't it just an excuse for employers to pay their workers crappy wages, and expect the customers to make up the shortfall?

I only tip if there has been exceptional (and I do mean noteworthy) service, and even then it's only 5 or 10%. If I'm feeling rich. Perhaps.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: September 29th, 2004 04:54 am (UTC) (Link)
Agreed. I've never really figured it out - isn't it just an excuse for employers to pay their workers crappy wages, and expect the customers to make up the shortfall?

That's exactly what it is. Only now owners expect tips.
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