?

Log in

No account? Create an account
entries friends calendar profile Previous Previous Next Next
12 Unpopular (HP) fandom opinions - The Phantom Librarian
Spewing out too many words since November 2003
fernwithy
fernwithy
12 Unpopular (HP) fandom opinions
Meme gakked from copperbadge.

These are just random opinions that I have that aren't necessarily highly popular. I'm not so much arguing them as listing them.

1. "Alternate universe" is not a synonym for "not canon." AUs, if anything, are more strongly dependent on canon than stories which don't change anything--the latter can explore possibly lesser-known aspects of characters, because everything is in place, but in the AU, the plausibility of the story depends entirely on making the changes fit with what we know of the characters in canon.

2. I think Remus Lupin is celibate.

3. I don't think there's any particularly special relationship between Remus and Sirius beyond their shared membership in a group. Within the Marauders' circle, I don't think they demonstrate any special closeness.

4. Draco Malfoy bores me to tears.

5. I liked the first movie, was ambivalent on the second (except for the end, which I hated with no equivocation), and mildly disliked the third (would have disliked it more if it weren't so gosh-darned pretty to look at... the omissions were appalling). If the trend continues, I may as well start my GoF rant now.

6. Canon characters appearing in fanfic should bear a strong resemblance to their canon counterparts. Add to them, interpret them, deepen them, whatever... but let's not forget what they actually do, what it is that you're adding to/interpreting/deepening.

7. I think Snape is over on Dumbledore's side surely enough, but he doesn't strike me as having particularly repented of his crimes.

8. While I'm having some fun with R/T and believe that both R/Hr and H/G are likely to happen in canon (and therefore use them in future-fics), in truth, I don't give a rip who's paired off with whom. It's a great big "Whatever."

9. I don't think there's some vast hidden good in Slytherin House.

10. I don't see the point of being a fan of something you don't like. (See every Star Wars rant I've ever done.)

11. I really enjoy well-executed OCs and crossovers, as well as AUs.

12. An AU should explore the questions the alteration raises as honestly and completely as possible.
39 comments or Leave a comment
Comments
From: peppa_minto Date: October 10th, 2004 01:53 pm (UTC) (Link)
Hm. I'm going to have to write a story now.
From: lnevans Date: October 10th, 2004 02:04 pm (UTC) (Link)
10. I don't see the point of being a fan of something you don't like. (See every Star Wars rant I've ever done.)
Please tell me your kidding. WTF?
anaid_rabbit From: anaid_rabbit Date: October 10th, 2004 02:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
7 - That`s an interesting view, but I don`t think you have anything to back it up. Snape could have repented or not. Canon didn`t give us that information yet. Only that Dumbledore has a "good reason" to trust him. *shrug* He *can* have repented and still be a sadistic jerk to those he hates.

9 - I think (hope) there is both evil and good. What I can`t accept is that Slytherin=Evil. It doesn`t follow on JK`s theme of moral ambiguity (the good guys can act like jerks sometimes but the bad guys can`t possibly have any positive qualities?). The so far characterization of the Slytherins makes them sound and act like cartoon villains.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 10th, 2004 02:13 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, like I said, not so much making arguments in the list as just making a list.

FWIW, I base that on the "worst memory" scene--Snape has been a Death Eater, served Lord Voldemort, and his worst memory is still of something done to him, rather than something he did. A true penitent, imho, would be more focused on his own actions than on the actions of others. (Eg, if Anakin Skywalker were to come back from the dead and instead of trying to make things right over Vader's crime, spent all his time still nursing wounds about how it was all Obi-Wan's fault--exactly what he did when he failed to take full responsibility for the Tusken massacre--I'd question the sincerity of his penance. Acceptance of responsibility is a big part of atonement.)
myf From: myf Date: October 10th, 2004 03:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
I've thought sometimes that the Worst Memory could have been the start of the long slide into DeathEatership for Snape - that event might have been the catalyst that tipped him over the edge, and therefore although it doesn't directly include the terrible things he's done, it might be a shorthand way for him to recall that period of his life.
sonetka From: sonetka Date: October 11th, 2004 12:08 am (UTC) (Link)

Snape's worst memory

I always wondered about that scene; primarily I wonder how much longer the memory would have gone on (segued into another really bad memory - was there only one memory in the pensieve?) if Snape hadn't come back and yanked Harry out. Also, to the best of my recollection - though it is kind of late at night, so not completely certain - "worst memory" is something that Harry takes for granted, since Harry himself is so humiliated by it - diving into the pensieve well be closer to Harry's worst memory (thought obviously not THE worst) than Snape's. Snape never actually states that this is his absolutely worst memory ever, darn it. It's certainly something he doesn't want Harry to see, but I get the feeling he wouldn't be taking that memory out if it were, say, Draco who was coming in for the occlumency lessons. He's taking it out specifically because it's what he really doesn't want Harry to see.

I'd have to believe that he'd have siphoned out a few DE memories to throw in the pensieve as well, though; not necessarily because they're bad or good memories (I think of Snape's attitude towards his gaudy past as "All right! I was wrong, I'm sorry, can we talk about something else now and not keep rubbing it in?") but because there's always the chance that Harry might get into his head and see that stuff. Now, we know Harry's not a gossip, but Snape is always ready to believe the worst of him, and I doubt he'd want Severus Snape Dungeon Tales to be making the rounds of all the three non-Slytherin houses should Harry see something. He's a private kind of guy, after all.
kizmet_42 From: kizmet_42 Date: October 11th, 2004 06:58 am (UTC) (Link)
There were three memories, IIRC, that Snape pulled out. Harry only saw one of them.

I toyed with the idea that it was done for Harry's benefit, but Snape's ultimate rejection of Harry and Occulmency lessons proved otherwise. Snape is a nasty, bitter, cruel man for apparently multiple reasons. Harry's behavior went past Snape's willingness to allow Harry access either via spell or Pensieve, not that Snape was all that willing in the first place.

I've said it before: I'd pay money to find out what the other memories were.

vytresna From: vytresna Date: October 11th, 2004 04:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
And then, of course, there's some crimes that aren't fully connected with him yet, which he certainly hasn't repented of... *nods toward Thestrals*
erised1810 From: erised1810 Date: October 10th, 2004 02:23 pm (UTC) (Link)
OH iagree wit hal lof these .and as per 3 i fel theneed to ....to find anything to express mygratitude that wont' betoo clsoe for yoru comfort or amke you feel embarrassed. lol!
bee like me and put 'the friendship of the marauders' in your interests. I'm the only lonely one and it can't be possible!.

melyanna From: melyanna Date: October 10th, 2004 03:03 pm (UTC) (Link)
9. I don't think there's some vast hidden good in Slytherin House.

Nor do I think there's a total dearth of goodness in Slytherin. We've had a highly biased view of Slytherin so far, but we've also had a pretty biased view of Gryffindor. The fact that one Gryffindor went so grossly bad as Peter did leads me to believe that there are people in Slytherin who are good people — ambition and goodness aren't mutually exclusive.

But Evil!Slytherin annoys me to no end. Makes me want to pick up a dead trout and thwack some people.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 10th, 2004 03:51 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, I see what you mean. There could certainly be perfectly moral Slytherin characters. I just think it is an uphill battle, and the house isn't a morally neutral one. "Ambition" (a morally neutral trait) isn't, after all, the only thing it's known for--the password to get in is "pure-blood." A person of good will who was perhaps sorted for being ambitious and having a sly kind of thought process would be constantly at war with the house.
thewhiteowl From: thewhiteowl Date: October 12th, 2004 06:42 am (UTC) (Link)
That's one of the things that puzzles me about Slytherin; it's at such odds with the professed sorting criteria. Sometimes you get characters in other fandoms so pronouncedly Slytherin-like you could use it sa an adjective, but are utterly different from Draco Malfoy (I'm actually thinking of Horatio Hornblower here, btw).
straussmonster From: straussmonster Date: October 13th, 2004 01:49 pm (UTC) (Link)
Probably said this before, but...there were some people who were really knocked for a loop by the Hat's revelations in Book 5. I was not one of them. The character traits of Slytherin House cannot be separated out as being the 'real' Slytherin House, and that pureblood stuff as an imposition onto it--it was there from the beginning. What's unclear is whether it meant the same thing back then. I incline towards the view that we're going to get a more nuanced portrait of the members of Slytherin House, but there's something really wrong with the foundational ideas of the House itself.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 13th, 2004 03:26 pm (UTC) (Link)
It is kind of surprising that people were knocked for a loop by that--it was a major plot point of CoS that Slytherin right from the beginning was at the very least, a pureblood snob, and it shouldn't have been a shock that this was a part of the House all along.

My basic belief is that the House is not neutral, and is in fact bad, but that there are some associated virtues that can be used for good (nothing wrong with a little ambition, and frankly, Harry could use a kick in that direction). It also doesn't mean that everyone Sorted into it is inherently evil--an ambitious pureblood who didn't happen to be obsessed with his or her own purebloodedness could easily be Sorted into Slyth.

I really didn't mean that to say that the only good Slytherin is a dead Slytherin or anything. I have two characters--only briefly mentioned so far, but clamoring for more attention--who are good Slytherins. Bill's friend Conrad Peale (from Tonks's "Of A Sort" chapter) is just a plain old fashioned pragmatist, Sorted into Slyth because he's not especially idealistic, and is more focused on how things actually work in the world. Mehadi Patil--the twins' mother--appears briefly in the epilogue of "Lines of Descent" (Stone Roses), and she actually shared a dormitory with Bella. She's very ambitious and a bit sly (and not always on good terms with the truth), but she has a strong moral grounding about a lot of issues, and she loves her girls fiercely. So fiercely that she deliberately plays on their personalities to get them to behave in the ways she thinks are appropriate, even if it means feeding them totally different lines about things--for instance, telling obedient Ravenclaw Padma that it's a good idea to study extra Defense Against the Dark Arts because she'll need it for her exams, but absolutely forbidding rebellious Parvati to do it. (She shares her strategy with Padma, since that also contributes.)
ladyaeryn From: ladyaeryn Date: October 10th, 2004 03:23 pm (UTC) (Link)
1. "Alternate universe" is not a synonym for "not canon."

One of my biggest fanfic bugaboos in any fandom. More often than not AU seems to have characters changed to excuse the new events the author wants to write (huge case in point - Obidalas), instead of implementing a change and actually seeing how the characters and events unfold differently as a result. (One AU I tried to read recently, for instance, was based on how Padme and Anakin's relationship would have evolved had Padme not stuck by her rejection of him in the fireplace scene. Within a few pages she's resigning the Senate with no reservations at all so she can marry him - jigga-huh? P/A AU happiness is all well and fine, but blowing off such a big part of her character, that she is extremely devoted to her political career, so they can spend more time engaging in the mush? It looks like Padme, it sounds like Padme... it's Pod-Padme! Run, Ani, before she sucks your brain out too - eh, too late. I suppose this ties into your #6, too. AU, or the simple fact that your story isn't canon, doesn't mean it's good writing to totally hash the characters you're using, dangit.)

4. Draco Malfoy bores me to tears.

Hee. He doesn't even garner my interest enough to warrant boredom. He's the Darth Maul of HP fandom - the one-dimensional nature of the character is interpreted as a deliberate masking of a truly complex nature. Which is fine to explore in fan fic, but as far as canon? Draco Malfoy, the 'Amazing' Walking Plot Device.

I think Snape is over on Dumbledore's side surely enough, but he doesn't strike me as having particularly repented of his crimes.

I agree. Largely due to the insufferable way he treats his students, and the memories in the OotP Pensieve scene - he's still acting like someone who's letting the fact that he was wronged in the past justify the horrible way he continues to treat other people.

both R/Hr and H/G are likely to happen in canon (and therefore use them in future-fics), in truth, I don't give a rip who's paired off with whom. It's a great big "Whatever."

Great feeling, isn't it? *g* Whatever pairings pan out aren't the cake, they're not even really the icing - they're the cute little sprinkles on top. A finishing, polishing touch on the overall work. Sometimes they taste sweet, sometimes they don't.

I don't think there's some vast hidden good in Slytherin House.

I think there are likely a few who don't exemplify the Slytherin stereotype - just as there are members of other houses who display rather Slytherin-like tendencies themselves - but on the whole I agree. Our main face for Slytherin is Malfoy, and no one in his house seems to have a problem with the image he puts forward as a Slytherin. We're not going to see something that causes a mass-turnaround in the way we perceive Slytherin. Snape himself may end up proving himself in some way, but that's still not likely something that will reflect Slytherin as a whole.

I don't see the point of being a fan of something you don't like.

So if we still label people who can't stand something and spend endless time whinging about it 'fans,' what does that make the rest of us? Heh.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 10th, 2004 03:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
First--icon love.

He's the Darth Maul of HP fandom - the one-dimensional nature of the character is interpreted as a deliberate masking of a truly complex nature.

Heh! Great comparison. I never got the Maul fandom, either. It's okay for some characters to not be developed--it's not their function!
fiatincantatum From: fiatincantatum Date: October 10th, 2004 03:37 pm (UTC) (Link)
2. I think Remus Lupin is celibate.

Word.

Me personally? I think he's contagious all the time, not just when the moon is full. He's merely more likely to "accidentally" pass it on when he's lusting for human flesh in the carnivorous sense. Blood-borne diseases don't conveniently disappear just because writers want to write hawtmansex involving Lupin. I'd love to see someone handle the whole sitiation a bit more realistically, yanno? Slash, het, whatever, doesn't matter.

But, yeah, I don't see him as being willing to get close to anyone, partly because it endangers them and partly because it endangers him
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 10th, 2004 03:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't think he's contageous all the time, but I do think that he's not the sort to get intimate with someone without telling the whole truth, and he's not the sort to randomly tell the whole truth to anyone he doesn't know pretty darned well, and he's reticent to get to know people, and, well...
gentlespirit From: gentlespirit Date: October 10th, 2004 03:55 pm (UTC) (Link)
9. I don't think there's some vast hidden good in Slytherin House.


Definitly an interesting point...I do get tired of people thinking that they are the best thing to even happen. However, I don't think that that means that no good can come from anyone who is a member of that house.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 10th, 2004 04:01 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, that's more of a response to the idea that Slytherin must be oh-so-wonderful in reality than to the idea that someone or something good could come out of it. Ambition, after all, is necessary to get anything done, and perfectly good people may have it as a dominant trait.
azaelia_culnamo From: azaelia_culnamo Date: October 10th, 2004 04:33 pm (UTC) (Link)
(Note - first, I'm going to post something similar on my LJ, so check it out. Also, I PMed you at SQ, in case you haven't seen it).

1. "Alternate universe" is not a synonym for "not canon." AUs, if anything, are more strongly dependent on canon than stories which don't change anything--the latter can explore possibly lesser-known aspects of characters, because everything is in place, but in the AU, the plausibility of the story depends entirely on making the changes fit with what we know of the characters in canon.

I couldn't agree more! I've seen so many AU's that could be so good, except they don't explore enough of the possibilities. I have read some very great AU's though.

2. I think Remus Lupin is celibate.

I don't have an opinion on the matter, but I think it's more than likely too. (Really, since it's a kid series, maybe we're supposed to assume *all* the characters are celibate, and were brought by Storks...)


3. I don't think there's any particularly special relationship between Remus and Sirius beyond their shared membership in a group. Within the Marauders' circle, I don't think they demonstrate any special closeness.

I have mixed feelings on that; ultimately, I think James and Sirius were closer than any of MWPP, and I also think thirteen years took a toll on Remus and Sirius's friendship.

4. Draco Malfoy bores me to tears.

I think he's an intriguing character, but not because I think he's sexy; rather, I think he's disturbing, and it makes me wonder what he'll do next. :(

5. I liked the first movie, was ambivalent on the second (except for the end, which I hated with no equivocation), and mildly disliked the third (would have disliked it more if it weren't so gosh-darned pretty to look at... the omissions were appalling). If the trend continues, I may as well start my GoF rant now.

I thought the first movie was okay, the second one was great, but I was sort of "meh" about the third. My stand on that one is this - it was hard to make a book with so many emotional elements, and so much backstory, a successful movie.

6. Canon characters appearing in fanfic should bear a strong resemblance to their canon counterparts. Add to them, interpret them, deepen them, whatever... but let's not forget what they actually do, what it is that you're adding to/interpreting/deepening.

Agreed!
7. I think Snape is over on Dumbledore's side surely enough, but he doesn't strike me as having particularly repented of his crimes.

Same.

8. While I'm having some fun with R/T and believe that both R/Hr and H/G are likely to happen in canon (and therefore use them in future-fics), in truth, I don't give a rip who's paired off with whom. It's a great big "Whatever."

I'm pretty much the same way, though I do hope R/Hr happens.

9. I don't think there's some vast hidden good in Slytherin House.

I think there's good in it, but I don't think too many would make a point to make soup for a neighbor with a cold, unless they had a reason for doing so.

10. I don't see the point of being a fan of something you don't like. (See every Star Wars rant I've ever done.)

Me either; I've come across people on messageboards and stuff who are so clearly in the fandom for the craze, and/or the fandom itself.

11. I really enjoy well-executed OCs and crossovers, as well as AUs.

Me too. :)

12. An AU should explore the questions the alteration raises as honestly and completely as possible.

I agree.
angel_gidget From: angel_gidget Date: October 10th, 2004 05:27 pm (UTC) (Link)
Some of these views may be "unpopular", but I don't really see anything wrong with 'em. I don't really think Malfoy is terribly boring, but I do tend to like heroes better than villains. As for the movies, I enjoyed all three, but mainly because I never expected them to be wholy accurate. They actually exceeded my low expectations.

As for Slythryn, gotta be something good there, else, I don't think the house would exist. Oh, and I think AU can mean "non-cannon" but it tends to be better when if follows the definition you've given.

As for ranting about something you love, you'd have to love it to know it so well as to give good rants. Just look at your Ani & Padme' "setting facts straight" icons. And speaking of icons, mind if I make my own version of your "genfic" icon? I think it's very eloquent.
angel_gidget From: angel_gidget Date: October 10th, 2004 05:31 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh, and if you wonder why I started with "Some of these views may be 'unpopular', but I don't really see anything wrong with 'em." and then talked about the things I disagreed with you on, it's because I pretty much agree with you on everything else.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 10th, 2004 08:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
Feel free to take the genfic icon. Join the genfic revolution! :)
thehighbrow From: thehighbrow Date: October 10th, 2004 05:28 pm (UTC) (Link)
3. I don't think there's any particularly special relationship between Remus and Sirius beyond their shared membership in a group. Within the Marauders' circle, I don't think they demonstrate any special closeness.

Thank you, amen! I used to be a Sirius/Remus fan myself, but that was during the PoA/GoF era and I hadn't had a chance to really evaluate the relationship between these two men. When OotP came out and I read "Snape's Worst Memory," it really struck me how, other than the fact that they hung out together, Sirius didn't really pay any attention to Remus unless there was something in it for him (i.e. full moon). Actually, to seize on that example, I found it incredibly insensitive for Sirius to have uttered the line, "Wish it was full moon already," like he didn't give a nickel about the pain that Remus had to go through as long as he and James could go crazy and party or whatnot.

On this note, I often feel sorry for Remus, in that he's idealized his friendship with Sirius and James. Sometimes I get the feeling he's made it out to be better than it actually was.

4. Draco Malfoy bores me to tears.

Draco Malfoy is a brat. A whiny, spoiled, inconsiderate, racist brat. I think people who write stories about redeemed!Draco are just reading too much into it. Hate to say it, but some people's morals are too ingrained into their characters for them to change their ways. To me, redeemed!Draco is almost equivalent to redeemed!Jabba. Possible, but just not interested.

7. I think Snape is over on Dumbledore's side surely enough, but he doesn't strike me as having particularly repented of his crimes.

I agree that it's strange that Snape's worst memory would be of being bullied instead of his acts as a Death Eater, but then again, J.K. Rowling could've been trying to make the point that Snape's emotional scarring from his school days and his encounters with the Marauders is what made him the way he is now, all of which adds to the tension of the subplot between Harry and Snape - the "emotional showdown" that (I hope) will happen at some point in the next two books.

Also, it could be that, even though he's a member of the Order, he still has one foot out the door, as if he's not quite sure whether this is the right side for him. He knows that what he's done is "bad," but a part of him is still in indifferent-mode, and it's possible that he will have to make a be-all-end-all decision as to his loyalties in the upcoming books.

8. While I'm having some fun with R/T and believe that both R/Hr and H/G are likely to happen in canon (and therefore use them in future-fics), in truth, I don't give a rip who's paired off with whom. It's a great big "Whatever."

Good for them. Let's move on.

9. I don't think there's some vast hidden good in Slytherin House.

Well, I don't think there's some vast good in Slytherin House, but I do think that there is at least some good - there is no pure evil, just as there is no pure goodnes (imho). Ambition doesn't necessarily translate into greed for power/money; in Snape's case, ambition was just the desire to prove himself. I believe that, if you look closely enough, you can find a few diamonds in the rough in Slytherin.

P.S. Your mentions of Anakin Skywalker makes me happy. I remember being obsessed with stories regarding Darth Vader's redemption a few years ago. Still am, actually, except that there aren't any more stories to read. I thought that the concept for AotC was good - all it needed were better writers. I found much of the conversation a little stunted, and the part between Anakin and Padme weren't as witty as they could've been. Anyway, I'm digressing, so I'll stop.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 10th, 2004 08:56 pm (UTC) (Link)
P.S. Your mentions of Anakin Skywalker makes me happy. I remember being obsessed with stories regarding Darth Vader's redemption a few years ago. Still am, actually, except that there aren't any more stories to read. I thought that the concept for AotC was good - all it needed were better writers. I found much of the conversation a little stunted, and the part between Anakin and Padme weren't as witty as they could've been. Anyway, I'm digressing, so I'll stop.

SW has a very, er, distinctive writing style. It would be weird at this point if they suddenly started using naturalistic words. (My theory on the subject--supported by Mark Hamill's memories of his audition on the DVDs, where he said he still remembers a long technical passage he had to come up with--is that stiff and unnatural dialogue is easier to remember and therefore will always be a part of blockbusters, since quotability is important.) At least nothing in AotC was as bad, dialogue-wise, as the scene on the bridge in the Ewok village in RotJ. Wince.

Anyway, the keeper of Vader's Mask always comes back to Anakin's redemption in the end. ;) I'll toot my own horn and suggest The Penitent, a round robin I worked on that involved Anakin coming back from the dead only to stand trial for his crimes. Going back over it, the writing's a little uneven in places, but the question of Anakin's redemption is definitely addressed.
prettyveela From: prettyveela Date: October 10th, 2004 05:36 pm (UTC) (Link)
5. I liked the first movie, was ambivalent on the second (except for the end, which I hated with no equivocation), and mildly disliked the third (would have disliked it more if it weren't so gosh-darned pretty to look at... the omissions were appalling). If the trend continues, I may as well start my GoF rant now.

Cross out "mildy disliked" and put "loathed" in for me and that's me to a T!
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 10th, 2004 08:50 pm (UTC) (Link)
Cross out "mildy disliked" and put "loathed" in for me and that's me to a T!

Given that the trajectory is off and each subsequent movie gets further away in all likelihood, I figured I'd give my dislike room to grow.
sonetka From: sonetka Date: October 11th, 2004 12:12 am (UTC) (Link)
I have very low expectations for GOF. First of all, the size of it - if they're cutting out the Quidditch Cup, that's either half a dozen plot points gone with the wind, or an awful lot of exposition to cram in. Also, they already shot their bolt in PoA when it comes to the "Harry sees someone on Marauders' Map who should be absent/dead/otherwise not in Hogwarts." Having Harry spotting Peter Pettigrew one year and Barty Crouch the next is going to look...unoriginal. Though it certainly beats the alternative of having someone else spot Crouch - bet you it'll be Hermione ;/. (Darn it, Kloves! Give Ron some glory!)
vytresna From: vytresna Date: October 11th, 2004 05:06 pm (UTC) (Link)
You know, you actually have me wishing they'll economize on Tasks. Because besides the Quidditch World Cup, there's the Pensieve scene (or some other way to get Barty fixed in the audience's head), and long periods of essential talking in Veritaserum and Parting of the Ways, and let's not forget SPEW. I mean, there's a distinct possibility that HBP could come out before the movie is released, or directly after, and then where would they be? They could always delay production right after release a la Cuaron, but given the Swiss cheese that came out of all the extra effort then...

Dumbledore, you danger-blind, Gandalf-emulating clod.
mafdet From: mafdet Date: October 10th, 2004 07:24 pm (UTC) (Link)
1. "Alternate universe" is not a synonym for "not canon."

I agree. Writers can't just change canon willy-nilly because they don't like the fact that Sirius died or whatever. That's not AU, that's wishful thinking. An example of a good AU that sticks to canon is Robin's Promises Unbroken over at the Quill.

3. I don't think there's any particularly special relationship between Remus and Sirius beyond their shared membership in a group. Within the Marauders' circle, I don't think they demonstrate any special closeness.

Agreed. Within MWPP, it was Sirius and James who were "like brothers." And JKR's updated information specifically mentions James (and Harry) as people Sirius loved fiercely. I think that James and Sirius were like Fred and George in all but biology. Remus and Peter were the second-tier members of MWPP. And don't even mention the batshit R/S fangirls, who have done a lot to alienate me from the R/S pairing.

6. Canon characters appearing in fanfic should bear a strong resemblance to their canon counterparts.

Yup. No Sexaay!Draco or HotTopic!Ginny, please. I've read some stories, which while actually very well-crafted and written, were "Harry Potter" stories in name only because the characters didn't bear any resemblance to their canon counterparts, nor did the setting.
cadesama From: cadesama Date: October 10th, 2004 07:51 pm (UTC) (Link)

/lurk

Word on . . . most items, but especially 1,4,8,9, and 12.

AUs are probably my favorite genre of fic, but unfortunately the most abused and misused of all, as well. I'm currently writing an HP alternate universe adding in a little sister for Harry (ala, Dawn on Buffy, but without the monks) and both having huge amounts of trouble and huge amounts of fun clarifying what canon remained the same and what changes and the psychological and relational ramifications on *everyone*. But, without those clarifications, there would be absolutely nothing to write, since AUs are all about distilling the characters and the universe into what will *always* be true.

Slytherin as a house . . . I don't think they are hiding vast good, but I don't think they are actually any worse than any house. I do, however, think that Gryffindor is absolutely the house that embodies the best virtues. If you assume that all four houses have moral parity, bravery is still the most important trait because morality without bravery is worthless.
dreagoddess From: dreagoddess Date: October 10th, 2004 09:10 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: /lurk

If you assume that all four houses have moral parity, bravery is still the most important trait because morality without bravery is worthless.

I disagree with that. I think that the houses DO all have moral parity, and none is more important that the others. One thing that Harry & co. will need to realize before the end is that all four houses are important because they ALL have important traits for the final battle. It's all very well and good to have Gryffindor bravery to rush in to defend your views, but you'll get cut to ribbons if you don't have a little Ravenclaw intelligence to plan out your strategy, and a little Slytherin cunning to put it into play? And just try getting ANY plan to work without Hufflepuff hard work. Harry needs to wake up and realize that not only is Slytherin not evil, ALL of the houses have their part to play. The Sorting Hat talked about unity between ALL the houses, not just Gryffindor and Slytherin. I think casting any house as "better" than the other is exactly what Harry is doing now, and exactly what is causing him problems.
cadesama From: cadesama Date: October 11th, 2004 12:15 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: /lurk

I think all of the separate traits are important and necessary to win the war -- but bravery nonetheless seems like the lynch pin. What good is a clever plan without the guts to implement it? Or hard work? Or sneaking around if you're too afraid of getting caught? Maybe I'm just too biased, but standing up and saying something, even to just be cut down, is worth more to me than sitting around because you're too afraid to act. Bravery must always be tempered -- but it has to be there in the first place.

Harry . . . well, has needs to realize that Slytherin isn't evil. I think the DA is a fairly good sign that he already realizing that everyone else has a part to play. Once Harry comes to grips with his Slytherin side, undoubtably all four houses will be united again.
dreagoddess From: dreagoddess Date: October 11th, 2004 04:37 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: /lurk

I think that if you remove one of the house traits, you have a problem. Bravery alone isn't enough. Neither is cunning, intelligence, or hard work. You need them ALL. Stupid bravery that won't work for anything isn't good for anything at all. ;)
cadesama From: cadesama Date: October 11th, 2004 09:14 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: /lurk

I absolutely understand that viewpoint, but I still think that a martyr who stupidly/bravely stands up without any sort of plan and gets killed will have a greater impact than a person who had a plan and never stood up. The martyr will inspire others. My point, I suppose, is that I believe the books have a pro-Gryffindor bias that's more than just Harry's pov -- and I agree with it. The other houses aren't worthless by any means (and are strongest united) , but if I (personally) could truly only have a hero with only one virtue, it would be bravery.
leeflower From: leeflower Date: October 11th, 2004 09:39 am (UTC) (Link)
1. YES. Thank you.

4. Also with the thank you. Word. Why is it that no one can accept him at face value? I bet they would if he were ugly. If he looked like a min snape, people would stop redeeming him (or at least they'd stop slashing him. UGH).

5. hated the first two, was ambivelant about the third one, but the costume designer should have been beaten.

6. Again, YES, very much with the agreeing. Even when I'm reading humor stuff, it just rubs me the wrong way when characters aren't acting themselves. Maybe I just don't appreciate 'he's acting out of character' as a source of comedy, but it seems like a cheap joke.

7. I'd always interpreted it not as his very worst memory, but as his worst memory triggered by Harry. Harry reminds him of his father-- he doesn't remind him of his time with riddle in any special way.

8. With you on the not giving a rip.

10) I agree here. The people who referr to Lucas occassionally as the flannelman do it out of love. The people who don't think there's any redeemable quality to Star Wars need to get a life that doesn't involve hanging out on Star Wars message boards.
Which is why I don't claim to be an HP fan. the books are cute, the books are fun; I freely admit to reading them, and to t00bing around rowling's site when bored, but I also play minesweeper when bored, and don't write fanfic about THAT, either.
But I also don't go on to HP message boards and just trash on rowling for snots and grins. There are many aspects of the books that are done quite well, and I find them an interesting topic for discussion. But when I'm playing in someone else's sandbox, I try not to disrespect the person the sandbox is dedicated to. If I have something terribly critical or catty to say, I can say it in my own sandbox, thanks.


11. word.

12. double word.
From: elven_werewolf Date: October 11th, 2004 01:06 pm (UTC) (Link)

'Tis most bizarre...

... I hold with most of those opinions, especially the point about the movies. I was spluttering with righteous indignation as I came out the cinema after PoA. *shudders* Why - WHY - couldn't they spell 'Moony'?!
And Draco. Gyah. Isn't he sort of meant to be unlikeable and basically evil?
Anyway. Yes. *Slinks off to rant to herself in private, contained and soundproofed room*
kakegoddess From: kakegoddess Date: October 12th, 2004 07:21 pm (UTC) (Link)
Thank You! I can't count the times I've thought those very things. I'm not very fond of Sirius/ Remus and Draco/ any Gryffindor is a pet peeve of mine.

Your stories are wonderful. I printed Of a Sort out for my mother in law and she told me to tell you she enjoyed it immensely. When I can I will print out Shifts.

You also turned me on to HP100. I've spent the last week reading those. They're like candy; you just can't read one. Anyway, keep up the good work.
39 comments or Leave a comment