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Shifts update at the Quill, quick question - The Phantom Librarian
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fernwithy
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Shifts update at the Quill, quick question
Wow, I was getting used to the two updates a week rhythm, and wasn't expecting Chapter Two of Shifts to go up at SQ yet. I think I better parcel it out more slowly--I'm feeling self-conscious!

And a quick question for ladies who are or have been pregnant--around five or six months, is the baby moving pretty regularly? (Fiction-writing reason to ask; no great impact on anything.)
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timesink From: timesink Date: November 24th, 2004 12:55 pm (UTC) (Link)
The real fetal tap-dancing comes in the last trimester, but you can feel it moving in the fifth and sixth months -- just not as dramatically as later.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: November 24th, 2004 02:11 pm (UTC) (Link)
Fetal tap-dancing...

Now, there's an image!
maglors_finch From: maglors_finch Date: November 24th, 2004 01:04 pm (UTC) (Link)
It depends on the number of the baby. If it's a first pregnancy, sometime during the fifth month is when you begin to feel the baby, but the stirrings are usually faint and far between. Sixth month it becomes regular, seventh and eight months are the most lively, and then the movements diminish again because the baby hasn't enough room anymore to make saltos.
During later pregnancies you begin to feel the movements earlier but for the rest it's the same.

How's that for a first comment to your LJ? BTW, I greatly enjoy "Shifts" - guess who my favourite character is. And thanks for adding me to your friendslist.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: November 24th, 2004 02:11 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh, I almost always friend back. :) You never know what interesting things are going to show up on the f-list!

Glad you're liking Shifts... may I assume your icon is a good hint for the guess? ;)
maglors_finch From: maglors_finch Date: November 25th, 2004 12:32 am (UTC) (Link)
:) !
mrs_who From: mrs_who Date: November 24th, 2004 01:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm reviewing some of your fics over at SQ, Fern. (As I have no artistic talent, it's about the only thing I can do for your wish list.)

around five or six months, is the baby moving pretty regularly? Yes, but how much of the movement which can be felt from the "outside" depends upon how thin the mother is, to be honest. My babies' kicks and rolls could be felt at 4 months, but they were big and active and I'm fairly slender.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: November 24th, 2004 02:10 pm (UTC) (Link)
Reviews are my favoritest thing in the world. :) Thanks!
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: November 24th, 2004 02:13 pm (UTC) (Link)
Thanks to the moms for the info! The scene in question involves baby motion only in the slightest degree (and kind of delighting the first time mom, though it's not the first motion). I just didn't want to put it in and then have someone say, "Er... babies don't really move until the eighth month..." Better to ask pre-emptively.
katinka31 From: katinka31 Date: November 24th, 2004 04:09 pm (UTC) (Link)
With my first, I didn't "conclusively" feel her move until 24 weeks. With the second, I felt him much earlier, about 15 weeks. They were just light flutterings, but I knew what to anticipate that time around.
mrs_who From: mrs_who Date: November 24th, 2004 05:56 pm (UTC) (Link)

While we're on the having babies thread...

While we're on the having babies thread...
I meant to make a comment about ch 16, pt 1. You wrote: And of course, he'd come here to sit with people during their illnesses--his mother, his father, others. And he'd been here the night Harry was born, sitting with Sirius and Peter. The Longbottoms--with one-day-old Neville--had stayed with them for awhile as well. Remus had done all of the runs for tea and gifts.

Now, in OotP I noticed a distinct lack of Maternity ward:

ARTEFACT ACCIDENTS… Ground floor
Cauldron explosion, wand backfiring, broom crashes, etc.
CREATURE-INDUCED INJURIES… First floor
Bites, stings, burns, embedded spines, etc.
MAGICAL BUGS… Second floor
Contagious maladies, e.g. dragon pox, vanishing sickness, scrojungulus, etc.
POTION AND PLANT POISONING… Third floor
Rashes, regurgitation, uncontrollable 2, etc.
SPELL DAMAGE… Fourth floor
Unliftable jinxes, hexes, incorrectly applied charms, etc.
VISITORS' TEAROOM / HOSPITAL SHOP… Fifth floor
IF YOU ARE UNSURE WHERE TO GO, INCAPABLE OF NORMAL SPEECH OR
UNABLE TO REMEMBER WHY YOU ARE HERE, OUR WELCOMEWITCH WILL
BE PLEASED TO HELP.


I suspected (at the time) that because UK mothers use Midwives (not the OB/Gyn like US mothers) that wizards have some sort of equivilent -- midwitches? -- and that wizard babies would be delivered at home (just as wizard children are educated at home) or at a Witches Hospital. St. Mungo's seems to be for illnesses only.

No, this isn't a major plot point and (of course!) fan fic authors are free to make the hospital hold whatever wards they want, but I thought I'd bring it up here and see what conclusions anyone else thinks.
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fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: November 24th, 2004 05:59 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: While we're on the having babies thread...

No, it's a good point, and that was just a space-filler line. I should look into it. I imagine there's probably as much variation among witches as there is among nonmagical women--some with midwives, some with their husbands attending, some insisting on the best Healers, some going into labor at the Ministry and ending up depending on Percy Weasley for help.
sreya From: sreya Date: November 24th, 2004 06:12 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: While we're on the having babies thread...

some going into labor at the Ministry and ending up depending on Percy Weasley for help.

*cracking up* It may just be the two-day-late paper cramming, but that brought an extremely funny image to mind. And, of course, not only Percy Weasley, but trapped in a broken-down lift with memos fluttering about Percy's ears.

Could make for an interesting "Percy coming to his senses" plot bunny. Particularly if it's timed for the end of OotP... it could even be Fudge admitting that Voldemort (er, Lord Thingy) really is back that sends the poor witch into labor.
contrail From: contrail Date: November 24th, 2004 07:05 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: While we're on the having babies thread...

some going into labor at the Ministry and ending up depending on Percy Weasley for help.

I second sreya's interest in seeing a story about this.

-Contrail
truebluespark From: truebluespark Date: November 24th, 2004 06:51 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: While we're on the having babies thread...

Please allow me to pull out a quote from copperbadge here. ^_^

Well, I don't think they have such things in St. Mungo's frankly, because the different floors? NOTHING about paediatrics or birth. I had to put maternity in "Spell Accidents" [...] It was either that or Artefact Accidents.
leelastarsky From: leelastarsky Date: November 24th, 2004 06:53 pm (UTC) (Link)
At 5 to 6 months the baby should be moving lots. This is the best time in pregnancy for most women - all the fun bits with none of the drawbacks like morning sickness or aching back.

On average, 20weeks is usual for first feeling the baby's movements. For a 1st baby. 15wks for subsequent babies.
At first it feels like small bubbles running against the inside of your tummy, very like wind (gas). By 6 months the movements are very definate and you can watch your tummy roll.
A book resting on my tummy would cause a massive response. They really didn't like it!
And the pregnancy books don't mention the fact that the kicks are not just directed at your abdomen. There's kicks to your back, kicks to your stomach, kicks to your bladder. And the ever impressive kick to your cervix, which can have you believing that the baby is about to kick its way out!
Then there is the fun of when they get the hiccoughs. I'm serious. My daughter was particularly bad with these. And there's no way you can help them relieve it; you just have to wait for it to go! It's funny for the first 5 minutes, then it's like chinese water torture.

Babies in utero have semi-regular waking and sleeping cycles too. It's always fun to go to bed exhasted, have baby decide its playtime and start rolling and bouncing around.

I found with all of my pregnancies that the time I woke up overnight, needing to go to the loo, would be the time that baby would wake for its overnight feed after it was born.

Hope that's a help. :~)
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: November 24th, 2004 06:58 pm (UTC) (Link)
This is all for a tossaway line in tonight's Shifts, but it's so fascinating that I feel like I want to write more on the subject... (And thanks for the sensory input. That's important for a writer, and it's never anything they put in a book!)
leelastarsky From: leelastarsky Date: November 24th, 2004 07:19 pm (UTC) (Link)
I love the subject myself, and they ALWAYS leave stuff out of books. Or gloss over it.
When Tim Zahn's SW books came out, and he had little Leia, pregnant with twins, swinging around the trees on Kasyyyk, I really had trouble suspending my disbelief. But then, when he had her charge off to Wayland(?) after the others, after just delivering said twins... Well, sorry, but he lost me completely.
Assuming Leia was callous enough to just up and leave her newborn babies (babies she knew the bad guys were after!), the poor girl would have been in agony. Her breasts would have got engorged with milk and, unless she expressed regularly, she'd have ended up with mastitis! Then there's the whole after birth bleeding thing...
Oh, so much fun. :~P
persephone_kore From: persephone_kore Date: November 24th, 2004 09:31 pm (UTC) (Link)
And the pregnancy books don't mention the fact that the kicks are not just directed at your abdomen. There's kicks to your back, kicks to your stomach, kicks to your bladder. And the ever impressive kick to your cervix, which can have you believing that the baby is about to kick its way out!

Yow. My mother didn't mention a whole lot of kicks downward, but apparently my brother (carried higher than I was) made a habit of kicking her in the lungs. Well, diaphragm, really.
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