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Spewing out too many words since November 2003
fernwithy
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You scored as Couch Potato Cat. Decorative pillow? No, that'd be you sitting on the couch, even still. Hmm. . . I'm guessing you have Web TV.

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Edit: Thing that makes me go hmmm. I did that whole post on HP manners a few days ago, and a handful of the comments seemed to assume I was British. (Things like, "I'm one of those Americans..." and so on.) This isn't insulting, nor were the comments off, it just struc me as a hmmm moment. The manners I learned were Anglo-Am, and not of recent immigration, either (I'm a thirteenth generation American; when I say my ancestors came from Kent, I mean, for the most part, that they lived there when "thee" and "thy" were part of every day speech). I found the manners in HP familiar to me, because they are frankly not that different, and what differences there are (eg, an American does not properly bow to royalty, no matter how much social climbing he or she wants to do) are not anything we've encountered. The things I listed are common WASP manners, not things that are specific to the UK itself. Just makes me go "hmmm" that people assumed from it that I was British. Huh.
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fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: December 5th, 2004 05:33 pm (UTC) (Link)
I haven't, though. Old school American here, and those are the manners I was raised with from birth on. It's puzzling.
michelle_ravel From: michelle_ravel Date: December 6th, 2004 06:18 pm (UTC) (Link)
Wait, you've been "mistaken" for Canadian? So you aren't Canadian? And yet you have an Arrogant Worms quote as your sig?

I'm so confused!
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skelkins From: skelkins Date: December 5th, 2004 05:51 pm (UTC) (Link)
That surprised me, as well. The manners you described in that post were what I think of as standard American etiquette. They're certainly the social conventions that I was raised with (although since my family was human, the reality of their behavior did not always live up to the social ideal.) We were hardly "old Americans," either. Nor WASPs, for that matter. I'm a third generation American. Jewish. Family originally from Russia.

It's possible that we may be looking at regional differences here: I grew up in the north-east. It's also possible that there may be generational differences. My parents were really two generations older than I was; their values were the values of those who had lived through the Great Depression. Here on livejournal, there may be more people who were raised by the Baby Boomers, which might account for the differences in standards of formality and etiquette.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: December 5th, 2004 08:57 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, it may be regional. I'm also northeastern, not always Boston, but always the basic Yankee enclaves. And my mother was a baby boomer, but we lived in a multigenerational house when I was little, and the manners authority was my great-grandmother.

We were also common sinners from time to time. It's not so much what's done as what's expected and what standard it's judged by.
From: hobviously Date: December 5th, 2004 06:01 pm (UTC) (Link)

I'm not sure I have a point, but...

The whole concept of America and American-ness has been rather hmmm-y to me of late, beginning with the election. I flippantly told an Australian friend that I am a Californian before I'm an American, a statement which keeps popping up in my head and causing me ponderment. It's truer than I would have originally thought, and this is just another example. There is a definite WASP sensibility, and it definitely does not reign here in the Bay Area. I raised myself on C.S. Lewis, L.M. Montgomery, and the like, so HP feels perfectly natural to me and I don't think I'd have any problems with the mannerly milieu, so to speak, but at the same time, it is a definite genre, one which I do associate vaguely with England, and vaguely with olden times. And that makes sense, because being a second generation Californian, the only people I know with manners even vaguely similar to that are my Irish Catholic grandparents.
kelleypen From: kelleypen Date: December 5th, 2004 08:01 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: I'm not sure I have a point, but...

Californian raised with Irish Catholic grandparents? Comadre!
I was born in LA, adopted Irish Catholic, school by Irish Poor Claires. And between Sister Briegeen, Sister Bridgette, MOnsignor McCarthy, and Father Gallagher, and my parents I learned good manners too.
mrs_who From: mrs_who Date: December 6th, 2004 04:25 am (UTC) (Link)
My mother always told me that it was "the easiest thing to be polite". Manners are very easy - one doesn't have to be honest, or emotional, or give anything away - just be mannerly. I've taught my children this because I think somewhere in the 1960's or 1970's emotional honesty replaced proper behavior. Just try standing in line at a customer service desk and see it! People won't wait patiently, they'll huff and puff, they'll comment on everything and everyone to the person behind them if they haven't got a companion, then they'll spew their impatience on the poor counter-person when it's finally their turn. Or, you may find yourself (as the customer) being spewed upon by the counter-person who has had to deal with irate people all day! Finding a POLITE and mannerly person in retail is a rare treat. It's seen as more honest and more appropriate, somehow, to convey how very displeased, tired, bored, irate, hungry you are than to behave in a courteous and neutral (and "public") manner.

So, I think the general behavioral expectations of people have changed. JKR's world is the Britain of the 1950's, which would bear a resemblance to America of the 50's and 60's as well. Not until the counter-culture filtered down into everyday life (which in PA was the early 70's) did we see the beginnings of it. I had a teacher in High School who attended my high school in the late 60's. She was a very kind and sweet teacher - business and secretarial. When she left our school for college, she had been a cheerleader, on the yearbook staff, debate team, etc. That kind of somewhat popular-but-likable girl. She came back four years later as a teacher and (even 15 years later recounting it to me) was astounded at the change. She said NO ONE was polite. No one seemed to shower! There were drugs and drinking as a lifestyle (not hidden and shameful as it had been only a few years ago). She recalled that no one went to the prom or football games or belonged to the debate team. The counter culture had hit with full force. One of her biggest complaints was that it (the counter culture movement) brought an honest, abrupt type of rudeness which never seemed to reverse.

WEll - that was long! My point is just that you're not the only one who notices these things. :)
michelle_ravel From: michelle_ravel Date: December 6th, 2004 06:16 pm (UTC) (Link)
I dunno whether if was because I already knew you were American, but the whole post seemed very American to me. For what it's worth.
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