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Star Wars - The Phantom Librarian
Spewing out too many words since November 2003
fernwithy
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Star Wars
Cool. Saw HC on Leno--he really doesn't interview well, or maybe it's just that I'm sick of hearing the same questions over and over. ("Is it cool to wear the Vader costume?" / "Well, duh.")

I'm getting disturbed with myself--I'm looking forward to RotS, but I'm not like, psyched. They showed a clip of the lava duel--a duel I've been waiting for since 1984 (not too patiently, either; I wrote it myself that year). And I'm like, "Hmmm. Good lighting." I read the novel, and I'm like, "Hmmm." And generally, "Hmmm," seems to be summing up my attitude. This is very troubling to me. Deep dread was bad, but at least engaged. Disinterest is a thousand times worse, because I'll regret not being part of the work-up for a long time. Sigh. Judging by the novel, with a couple of exceptions, both having to do with Padmé (one, sadly, an important moment at which I shouldn't be rolling my eyes), I'll like the film a lot. I like the people. I like Star Wars. I dig Vader (though I would have preferred to end it with the costume only half-finished, but that's mostly because I would have liked to see the middling stage; I think it would have looked neat). There's John Williams music happening. Hayden is SO pretty.

So why am I more or less pencilling in opening night?

Feh.

I'll get with the program as soon as I'm in line, I'm sure.

I feel a bit...: indifferent indifferent

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ashtur From: ashtur Date: May 7th, 2005 04:35 am (UTC) (Link)
That's odd. I'm at most a casual fan of the movies. I've seen them all, but only saw the two "new" ones in the theater, never bought the DVD's, and haven't really read the books (started one, that was it), and I'm starting to get kind of psyched for it.
myf From: myf Date: May 7th, 2005 04:39 am (UTC) (Link)
What do you do when you go and see it, Fern? Midnight screening, that sort of thing? I'm highly amused at the people who quit their jobs and line up for months on end - given your continued presence on LJ you've not gone that far.

I like SW, but I've never been into the fandom. I'll just watch the films, and perhaps buy the DVDs. But it's interesting watching another large fandom from the outside - this is what non-fandom HP readers must think about me. *g*
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: May 7th, 2005 04:43 am (UTC) (Link)
I did the midnight screening for AotC, and went to the special IMAX screening, and saw it many, many times in the theater. Not as many as TPM (my favorite of the films), but quite a few. And I wrote reams of fanfic (my HP output is just starting to catch up with my SW output), and modded at TFN, and was basically the same person I am in HP fandom, except in SW fandom. (I would be very bad at having a split personality.) I'm also meeting my two old friends, with whom I made a pact back in the early '80s, to celebrate the movies' releases wherever we happened to be. TPM, they came to see me. AotC, J and I went to see K. Now, K and I are going to visit J. We've been negotiating on SW M&M custom colors to order (the M&M fetish and the SW fetish have always gone together, so we're delighted at the M&M sponsorship).
myf From: myf Date: May 7th, 2005 05:04 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm beginning to think I'm just a moderate HP fan in that face of that! If I were truly dedicated I'd be flying to London so I could read HBP with my dear friend and Potter convert Bec.

Do you think you'll get sucked back into the SW fandom (in terms of fanfic) with ROTS? 2005 is a busy time in your fandoms!
krabapple From: krabapple Date: May 7th, 2005 05:16 am (UTC) (Link)
Star Wars is my home fandom, too (or at least my longest running one), and I even sort of forgot that RotS was due this summer.

Oops.

The trailer got me excited (I so hear you on the lava battle), but I just am not as worked up about it as I might otherwise be. I don't know. I think part of it is having a new fandom (HP), but I also think I finally got so burned out on the EU that I'm less thrilled than I should be. I feel nostalgic as I saw Episodes I and II in New York, and I'll really, really miss standing in line outside the Zigfeld, which is where I saw AotC, but that might be as much transplated New Yorker feeling as anything else.

Anyway, not to ramble, but I did want to ask you: Do you think reading the movelization beforehand is worth it? My worry is that if I don't like the novel, I won't enjoy the movie, so I don't want that to happen. But I respect and like Matt Stover's work--the man wrote one of if not the only decent novel in the New Jedi Order monostrosity--so I'm torn. Any advice?
krabapple From: krabapple Date: May 7th, 2005 05:17 am (UTC) (Link)
Um, novelization. Er, yes. :)
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: May 7th, 2005 11:46 am (UTC) (Link)
I highly recommend knowing the story before you go in. I mean, this one above all others has stuff that could be thought of as nasty surprises (though not much is a surprise anymore, I guess) and having some idea what's coming probably helps with enjoying the movie. The novel as a novel is all right.
awaywithpixie From: awaywithpixie Date: May 7th, 2005 06:02 am (UTC) (Link)
Could it just be the fact that after this, it's all over? I mean I've been waiting for this since 1980 when I realised at the tender age of 11 that this whole series was a continuation.

I can say that in my case it's probably age that had dimmed the ardour for it all and the fact that I've read the novelisation in the meantime has kept me from squeeing as uncontrollably as I did before.

I saw TPM at a midnight screening, AOTC at a 6am screening and my tickets for ROTS are for 7pm on the first night - nearly a whole 19 hours after its first viewing. *Gasp*

But for me, I'll be sharing my evening with my partner, and my best friend who has been with me since a year after ESB. We saw ROTJ together, and everything since. No doubt we'll be squeeing and crying yet again now that it's truly going to be all over.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: May 7th, 2005 11:55 am (UTC) (Link)
Could it just be the fact that after this, it's all over? I mean I've been waiting for this since 1980 when I realised at the tender age of 11 that this whole series was a continuation.

That's possible. With each of the others, I came out thinking, maybe I'll become enough better at what I do that I'll have "broken the surface" and can be involved with the next one. When I was seven and it was ANH, it was all about becoming an actress so I could be in the next SW. That didn't work out. When it ended with RotJ in 1983, I was still thinking about that and the rumor went around about preqels, and I thought I looked passably Skywalker enough for a part if I just got really good. By the time it was out, I was way too old, and realized I would never be built like an actress, and also wasn't that good at it, so I'd set my sights on writing. I know longer believed, exactly, that I could break the surface, but I kept pushing myself to be better, in the hopes that enough people would like my stuff that maybe I'd get noticed for a novelization, or maybe one of the kids' series (I am so hacked off that they hired a writer who doesn't like Anakin to write the Jedi Quest books). Now, I know, of course that this isn't how it works--I should have spent the '90s writing original fiction or at least publishing more than the one tie-in (even if all of my readers had risen up with one voice and said, "Fern should write this stuff!" the truth is, without more pro experience, an agent, and serious connections, you don't get into that particular tie-in company; it's not like Trek or QL or anything, which are open to new writers)--but the fantasy doesn't go away, you know? Until the RotS novel was assigned. Then it went away. How's that for a dumb reason to lose interest? And now they are going to do a "midquel" series on TV, but they're following a side character and I just... don't care. I'd have liked a Leia-Vader series. I could write that. But it's not going to happen.
gehayi From: gehayi Date: May 7th, 2005 06:04 am (UTC) (Link)
I think that the trouble is that you've done this already. You've been there for the lava duel. You've figured out their past and their pain. You've already felt and bled and suffered with these characters over the fall of the Jedi and the rise of the Empire. You know how you feel and what you think happened. This may be canon...but in a strange way, it's not. Because it's not the canon you worked from, or based stories on, or created.

And there's the dread, of course, that RotS is not going to measure up to the canon you do love and is going to warp said canon horribly, changing the people you love and the people you love to hate and their motivations into something unrecognisable.

I don't think you're looking at this with the uncritical eye of an adoring fan, but with the dispassionate eye of a writer. Does this make sense? Does this fit? Where did that plothole come from? Why on EARTH is she doing THAT?

It changes your whole perspective.

Hence, the "Hmmm" reaction, I think.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: May 7th, 2005 02:24 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't think you're looking at this with the uncritical eye of an adoring fan, but with the dispassionate eye of a writer. Does this make sense? Does this fit? Where did that plothole come from? Why on EARTH is she doing THAT?

I think that's a huge part of it. There were parts in the novel (all in Padmé scenes, especially toward the end), where I found myself frowning a lot and scratching my head... when I think I'm supposed to be weeping my silly little girl eyes out or something instead. I mean, Padmé's my favorite of the new characters, easily, and... shrug. Then again, there were some great scenes with Anakin, and Palpatine's plan is exactly what I thought of it as. And it looks like the action sequences are going to be incredible. There's just a bit of disconnect.

I was never exactly an adoring and uncritical fan--I was trying to learn how to do it, so I was always looking at it as deeply as I could. I liked the prequels better than the original because I felt like I had more to play with as a writer. But you're right... I've been playing. A lot. Turning it over and shaking it to see if it goes wocka-wocka-wocka or zoom-zoom-zoom, to paraphrase Stephen King in Danse Macabre. Still, I'd been doing that before AotC, too, and I was in totally psyched mode for that.

There are a couple of points in the story where I think the line got crossed--I understand why, given the atmosphere into which it's being released, but I think it's a crazy mistake if Lucas's intention, as frequently stated, is to maintain sympathy, but I'm willing to take them as they are apparently intended. (Then again, people seem determined to sympathize with Draco and Lucius Malfoy, who both do far less understandable things that they shouldn't, so I could be wrong about public response... but with the general tendency to demonize Lucas, I have a feeling I need to resign myself to spending a good bit of the summer arguing with feminists about author intention vs. their own preconceptions... and unfortunately falling back on, "That's really not the way I'd have chosen to do it, but this is what the story means...")
rabidfangurl From: rabidfangurl Date: May 8th, 2005 07:40 am (UTC) (Link)
There were parts in the novel (all in Padmé scenes, especially toward the end), where I found myself frowning a lot and scratching my head...

I have a feeling I need to resign myself to spending a good bit of the summer arguing with feminists about author intention vs. their own preconceptions... and unfortunately falling back on, "That's really not the way I'd have chosen to do it, but this is what the story means..."

See, that's one of the reasons I'm *excited* about the movie: because I'll have canon to work with, even if it is canon I have to try and explain away, because it's shoddily written and does not work on Earth logic. I mean, at this point, I think I've got a pretty good grasp of what's going on in Anakin's head, and there are still bits of both RotS and RotJ where I have to work around contradictory bits of canon. That's where the challenge is, and the interest. Padme's going to be even more of challenge, as her mind is more of mystery to me. So I anxiously await canon to work with, as a way to try and figure out what's going on and what needs explaning from a character POV.
leelastarsky From: leelastarsky Date: May 7th, 2005 08:32 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm exactly the same, and it's SO dissapointing! And I agree with you that the disinterest is worse. I find myself looking at the clips and all the rev-up and brewing excitement and just don't care. And for someone who lived and breathed SW for much of her life, that is... sad.

I really WISH I could feel enthusiastic about it, but I don't. I'm halfway through the novelisation and feel like nothing has happened yet.

The real irony is that for every one of the other films, Ep1+2 included, I would have been EXTATIC to get to a preview showing. Absolutely EXTATIC. This time I scored a ticket to a preview showing on the 18th and ... well, the thought of dragging myself through the traffic into the city at night, finding a parking spot etc etc... I'm having real trouble feeling that it's worth that much effort.

I probably will go; for the old SW fan in me who would never forgive herself for giving up such a chance. But, then again... I could always go by myself the next morning, without any of the anxiety or drama of draging myself into town...

Oh, and I don't even have the opening pencilled in on my calendar. :~P HP on the other hand... BIG bright letters! :~D
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: May 7th, 2005 02:30 pm (UTC) (Link)
Ah, the opening of the novel drove me bats. Stuff does end up happening. ;) But by the hundredth straight page of the opening action sequence, I was like, "I don't care if you cut to Anakin swearing like a sailor, cheating on his wife, and torturing orphaned puppies for the hell of it, just please, END THE )#*@#$ BATTLE!!!" It should be good on screen, but on the page, you just can't go on with a battle for that many pages.

I'll probably get the ticket and wander down after work on the 19th. I'm not due in the next day until afternoon, so it's no skin off my teeth, and I'd regret not doing it. But people are saying, "Hey, have you gotten your tickets yet?" and I'm just... I'll see what's left when I buy them.
sreya From: sreya Date: May 7th, 2005 03:32 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm used to the semi-meh feeling before a release. I stay spoiler free and try not to speculate too much, so it's a little hard to get REALLY excited when you're trying not to think about it.

Hmm, I guess law school exams and running around prepping for Egypt is helping this time around.

Yesterday I was literally jumping up and down in Star Wars excitement, though. Contrary to the email I got, CafePress DID ship me my original design t-shirt, so now I have a unique design to wear for opening day, complete with concert style dates for the prior prequels on the back, concept art of the Big Duel, and even a quote from my own fanfic. That was pretty exciting!

Sometimes it just takes a little while to get revved up. And energy. Energy helps.
From: ex_olivehorn645 Date: May 7th, 2005 03:45 pm (UTC) (Link)
You know, I had totally forgotten that the movie was coming out so soon (despite the occasional mention on my flist) until a girl at a pet store asked me if I was excited about it. I was actually wearing a Star Wars shirt, but the third movie had somehow not entered my mind at all.

We're going to the IMAX with a couple of friends on the first Friday it's out. I'm looking forward to it, but I'm not nearly as excited as I was about Episodes 1 or 2.
liwy From: liwy Date: May 7th, 2005 04:25 pm (UTC) (Link)
I feel much the same way about it. My newest fandom addiction has eaten my brain. HP and SW have pretty much dropped by the wayside.
From: (Anonymous) Date: May 7th, 2005 04:48 pm (UTC) (Link)
It's the maintain sympathy issue. I'd had some solid ideas about Vader, that there were lines he wouldn't cross (or not without rationalizations that even a non-Gone-to-the-Dark-Side type person could at least see as having a point) and that his fall happened during a time of great ambiguity - there was a Civil War going on that the Jedi were losing, after all. Falling for an ends justify the means rhetoric in a situation where conscience may cost millions of lives is understandable. The moral thrust of the story, for me, was to be able to look at a situation where sacrificing conscience for expediency makes a lot of sense BUT that's an illusion. Sacrificing it will destroy everything that might have been saved.

And, oh, yes, his wife's death was supposed to be his breaking point. Padme is killed and Vader is convinced that, if he'd only given in to his personal darkness a little bit sooner, it wouldn't have been that way.

Not exactly what Lucas delivers.

Call me arrogant, but I'm labeling his movie as AU.

Ellynne
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: May 7th, 2005 04:58 pm (UTC) (Link)
I never label canon AU--that's not my place; I don't think it's anyone's place (sorry, but I don't). The thing is, I do know what he meant to say about losing control, about not being totally there anymore, and I think he thinks that's what he's saying. I think women, in particular, aren't going to be prone to hearing it that way.
may_child From: may_child Date: May 7th, 2005 06:35 pm (UTC) (Link)
And, oh, yes, his wife's death was supposed to be his breaking point. Padme is killed and Vader is convinced that, if he'd only given in to his personal darkness a little bit sooner, it wouldn't have been that way.

According to WHOM is that "supposed to be his breaking point"? Frankly, I never thought that was the case. I thought his wife would survive Episode 3.

Anyway, I am very excited for ROTS. I'm not crazy about the novelization, but then, it's the novelization. I wasn't crazy about any of the movies' novelizations.

Harry Potter...eh. The books are good, the movies are good, but I'm not that into the fandom. I'll probably pre-order HPB and see GoF in theaters, but no big rush for either.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: May 7th, 2005 06:56 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yeah--I assumed that he'd probably think something awful had happened to her, but...

Shrug.
From: (Anonymous) Date: May 7th, 2005 08:39 pm (UTC) (Link)
Well, I guess I can't complain if I said for people to call me arrogant for saying it (sigh).

I was mostly joking. And, yes, I know that just because I had an idea firmly in my head doesn't mean George Lucas was under any obligation to have the same idea in his head. I mean, technically, I've never thought that anyone else has to agree with me on these things, so why start with him?

Because (deep, world-weary sigh), Mr. Lucas has the right to tell me I'm wrong, that's why. While it only seems fair that I should therefore have the right to tell him the same thing, I know it doesn't work that way. Once I get over the disappointment, I'll probably even admit that. It's just taking a while.

Yeah, and I just always assumed something happened (or he thought something had happened) to his wife that was his breaking point. That was just me. Nobody else had to agree with that idea, either. Obviously, I was wrong. Well, sort of obviously.

They say the thing the very powerful and the very stupid have in common is that they like to change the facts to fit their opinions rather than change their opinions to fit the facts. I know I'm not in the very powerful category, which pretty much leaves only one option if I keep insisting that the fact of RotS is wrong because it doesn't suit my opinions on how it should have been done.

Sigh.

Ellynne
erised1810 From: erised1810 Date: May 7th, 2005 09:22 pm (UTC) (Link)
i'm the same about harry potter .and fee lthe same strange sadness too. been too ditzyora whoel yearabout otp until i decided to see it leka bloody fanfic off of gof. Not sure if I jsut vehemently pretend to not care orreally don't care any more. I will read the book i nthendI guess. but it's the firsttiem in years where ihad moments of literally thinking w'h ydon't i jsut skip the rest and go on with somethign else?"
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