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titti reported this article about the new SW TV series, with McCallum apparently muttering a few non-descript things and the reporter taking it as a big scoop.

Suffice it to say, with anything Lucas-involved, if he hasn't even started planning it, then we're talking about ideas being tossed around at the ranch. McCallum mentions something about how certain people end up together, and how Luke grows up on the farm.

So in the comments, we get (paraphrased because I can't be bothered to check the exact wording):

If it's Han and Chewie, this is the story, with stuff from the Expanded Universe listed like it's gospel.

Why would we want to hear about some kid on a farm before he goes off to have adventures?

What's with Tatooine? Why do we want to see Tatooine again?

Sigh.

You know, SW fan whining is worse than anything Luke or Anakin ever did.

Honestly.

1. There's no reason to believe a TV show will follow the EU. The question of whether or not Wookiees went into slavery after the battle on Kashyyk in RotS is open--it could happen, it's not ruled out. It's also not made canon. And frankly, if Han and Chewie are the people being talked about, then it sounds like they're thinking about doing a new take on it. The fact that the thing has been written about in the EU isn't going to have much of an impact.

2. Who wants to hear about some kid on a farm? Well, ask the huge numbers of people who tune in for Smallville every week. Luke's not just "any kid." Just because he hasn't started his life's work yet doesn't mean nothing interesting could happen to him.

3. If there's a "home base" for Star Wars, it's Tatooine. It's the Ithaca of Lucas's Odyssey. Of course you're going to keep coming back to it.

Now, personally, I'd rather see a kind of anthological format, with original characters--possibly a surviving Jedi--who goes from world to world. But that doesn't mean that young Luke or young Leia stories couldn't work. Heck, I built my now-obsoleted ficverse on young Leia stories and have done a couple of young Luke ones. Young Luke is harder because he's still pretty innocent in ANH, but he's a possibility.

Also, if both of the comments McCallum randomly makes are in the works, we may be seeing a kind of anthology, with some episodes on Tatooine, some looking at Han and Chewie, maybe some in the Empire, maybe some with escaped Jedi meeting their fates. McCallum's commments were as vague as it's possible to be while still actually moving one's mouth. But of course, responding fans immediately come up with exactly what it's going to be, and have staked out which thing they plan to complain about most loudly.

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From: psalm_27 Date: June 18th, 2005 05:22 pm (UTC) (Link)
:bitchslap:

Thank you! I read the same article earlier and was just amazed at how quickly the whining started.

I would think that a TV series could be wide open, telling everyone's story, characters we're familiar with and new, original characters. Using anything from the EU will make a few happy, but most people haven't heard of them and don't care. I would love to see an anthology like you mentioned, linking all the stories together in quiet ways. There's so much potential!

I built my now-obsoleted ficverse on young Leia stories

Obsolete? Never!
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 18th, 2005 05:26 pm (UTC) (Link)
Obsolete? Never!

They're predicated from the very first lines on Padmé being on Alderaan with Leia for a few years--the very title "Father's Heart" is from something Leia has fuzzy memories of her mother saying to her. And my ficverse started with FH and expanded from there. If Padmé does not go to Alderaan, every word I wrote is obsoleted. It was central to the entire idea. C'est la vie in fanfic. B'bye.

Anyway, yes--it shouldn't astound me that SW fans are wanking before the first production decision has been made, and yet it still managed to take me by surprise.
darth_pipes From: darth_pipes Date: June 18th, 2005 05:50 pm (UTC) (Link)
Heheh. Looks like some of the fans have something new to complain about with the TV show. Then they start going on and on about the EU like its gospel. The show will be whatever GL wants it to be. Now, I personally like the backstory that Han was an Imperial officier that freed Chewie from slavery. I think it gives fascinating insight into Han's character. But if GL doesn't want to use that, then so be it. Han was originally supposed to be living with Chewie in ROTS but they cut the character out.

LOL on Smallville. You're exactly right. It reminds me of when they would always ask Trek producer (and hack) Rick Berman if the next ST movie or TV series would be Starfleet Academy. He always dismissed it and once responded "putting children in danger is not what Star Trek is about." To which someone responded "Yeah, no one ever cared to read about that boy wizard and his friends at Hogwarts."

The early days of Luke and Leia would be pretty interesting. Tatooine is a fascinating world and like you said, it is the center of Tatooine. I wouldn't mind seeing more of it. Hell, the thing I'd love to see the most on this series (even though it would never happen) is for them to get McGreggor to return for an hour of Obi-Wan on Tatooine.

The one thing I'll agree about is that things couldn't have been too exciting for Luke on Tatooine given his reactions to it. But I'm sure the idea could work.

I can't wait till things get rolling on this. It should be interesting. The Clone Wars cartoon series should get rolling in the very near future.
imadra_blue From: imadra_blue Date: June 18th, 2005 07:10 pm (UTC) (Link)
Heh. I read that and the comments. Dudes, I'd like to read about young!Luke and young!Leia. Tis good stuff, imho. It doesn't all have to be nifty jeezo lightsaber duels and space battles. SW fans are quite whiny about things, not to say that I'm not, but even I can point out my favorite bits of AotC. The last 45 minutes.

Why is young!Luke and young!Leia so boring? They're interesting characters, I'd love to watch them grow up. I'd love to see Obi-Wan grow and mature and mayhaps have a convo or two with ghosty!Qui-Gon. Little stuff like that makes a story stronger, imho.

And GL clearly does not care what the EU writers do. It's his universe, after all.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 18th, 2005 09:01 pm (UTC) (Link)
Why is young!Luke and young!Leia so boring?

'Cause, you know, they're kids and kids are icky. All SF characters must spontaneously generate at the age of eighteen, and may not live longer than thirty-five.
imadra_blue From: imadra_blue Date: June 19th, 2005 07:06 am (UTC) (Link)
Bah. I look forward to watching Obi-Wan grow old and Luke and Leia romp around because I love them, I don't care how old or young they are. And dude? I'd like to see Luke shooting womprats in the canyon, or Old Ben saving Luke from a krayt dragon or somesuch. It would make me happy. SW fans whine a lot. I blame AotC!Anakin. ;D
thewhiteowl From: thewhiteowl Date: June 18th, 2005 08:06 pm (UTC) (Link)
Now they're going to obsolete my fics! Again! Well, if they don't put Leia in it, it should be all right. Luke's childhood has plenty of blank, empty space for things to happen in. I don't much care about Han's childhood, although didn't the Imperial officer thing come from Lucas himself? So he might stick with it.
On the other hand, I do manage to ignore 'Young Indy' as canon for that, so... *shrug*
coralia13 From: coralia13 Date: June 19th, 2005 03:04 am (UTC) (Link)
I love your icon!
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 18th, 2005 08:34 pm (UTC) (Link)

Totally Random

Totally random, but Buffy: Once more with feeling is a completely awesome soundtrack.
~W&R
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 18th, 2005 09:20 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Totally Random

Totally true. :) Love that soundtrack, escpecially "Let it Burn."
may_child From: may_child Date: June 19th, 2005 05:41 am (UTC) (Link)
1. There's no reason to believe a TV show will follow the EU. The question of whether or not Wookiees went into slavery after the battle on Kashyyk in RotS is open--it could happen, it's not ruled out. It's also not made canon. And frankly, if Han and Chewie are the people being talked about, then it sounds like they're thinking about doing a new take on it. The fact that the thing has been written about in the EU isn't going to have much of an impact.

I'd very much like it if the TV series stomped all over the EU, especially with regards to Han's past. The idea of the so-called Han Solo Trilogy (not to be confused with the Han Solo Adventures, which came out in the 70s and were actually not bad) being nullified puts a big smile on my face.

As it happens, Lucas considered putting young Han in ROTS -- he'd have appeared in the Kashyyyk sequence. That contradicted what the EU established for his past, which shows me that Lucas paid no attention to the EU.

So hopefully the TV series will do likewise. The last thing on Earth I want is for it to be a series about, say, Mara Jade, building her up to the level of Vader -- but at the same time insisting she was NEVER DARK.
imadra_blue From: imadra_blue Date: June 19th, 2005 07:09 am (UTC) (Link)
Mara Jade, for some reason, does not bother me. It's Callista, Lumiya, Siri Tachi, Ferus Olin, and Kyp Durron I don't want to ever hear about. Ever. *pretends they don't exist*

The old 70's Han Solo Adventures were kinda cool, but I don't care if Lucas disregards them. They are, after all, only fanfic to me. ;D

*bounces* I don't care what the whiners say. I want me some young!Luke, young!Leia, old!Bail, and old!Obi-Wan. Yes.
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 20th, 2005 03:27 pm (UTC) (Link)
The idea of the so-called Han Solo Trilogy (not to be confused with the Han Solo Adventures, which came out in the 70s and were actually not bad) being nullified puts a big smile on my face.

Why? The Han Solo Trilogy was the only decent piece of Expanded Universe fiction put out by Bantam aside from the Thrawn and X-Wing material.

As it happens, Lucas considered putting young Han in ROTS -- he'd have appeared in the Kashyyyk sequence. That contradicted what the EU established for his past, which shows me that Lucas paid no attention to the EU.

The fact that he borrowed Aalya Secura from the comics and had plans for Quinlan Vos to appear in ROTS also shows that he does pay attention to the EU though he also contradicts it whenever he wants, but then he also contradicts himself and his own movies.
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darth_pipes From: darth_pipes Date: June 19th, 2005 05:56 am (UTC) (Link)
I think we can safely say Mara Jade will NOT be in the television series.
lazypadawan From: lazypadawan Date: June 19th, 2005 07:25 am (UTC) (Link)
Young Skywalkers would rule! I was thinking about that today while watching ROTS :).
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