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Quick question on Star Wars honorifics - The Phantom Librarian
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Quick question on Star Wars honorifics
Almost everyone we meet in SW has a title. Senator, Chancellor, Master, Captain, Commander...

What in the galaxy are everyday people called? "Mister" and "Mrs," and our general run of English honorifics?

My question, if it helps, involves what Shmi Skywalker would be called by a younger person who is not addressing her in a disdainful way. She wouldn't be "Mrs," either, I guess.
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From: deviantauthor Date: June 24th, 2005 12:24 am (UTC) (Link)
Lord and Lady?

Oh wait.

That would be the Malfoys.

*runs away to hide*
coralia13 From: coralia13 Date: June 24th, 2005 12:26 am (UTC) (Link)
For some reason Madam Skywalker seems to fit. What did Qui-Gon call her in Ep. I? I feel like Madam and Master would be the Mrs. and Mr. of the SW 'verse... not quite sure why I think so.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 24th, 2005 12:29 am (UTC) (Link)
What did Qui-Gon call her in Ep. I?

Alas, nothing--including her name. People had to read the credits to get that!
coralia13 From: coralia13 Date: June 24th, 2005 12:31 am (UTC) (Link)
Wow, that does make things tougher. I still say Madam Skywalker, though!
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 24th, 2005 12:37 am (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, that's where my head was leaning on the subject, but I wasn't sure if it would feel right to anyone else.
coralia13 From: coralia13 Date: June 24th, 2005 12:39 am (UTC) (Link)
At the risk of sounding like a starry-eyed fangirl (I am, a little bit), pretty much anything you write feels right to me. :)
spellingwitch From: spellingwitch Date: June 24th, 2005 07:04 pm (UTC) (Link)
He definitely called *somebody* madam... ?
nomadicwriter From: nomadicwriter Date: June 24th, 2005 12:29 am (UTC) (Link)
Well, Threepio uses "Master Luke" and "Mistress Leia", although I suppose it's debatable whether that's him using formal titles as a protocol droid, or calling them Master and Mistress because he belongs to them. Given the pattern of other titles in use I'd actually think that "Mister" and "Mrs." are perfectly plausible, and yet at the same time, I know that if I read them in a Star Wars story I'd find them really jarring. How about "Madam Skywalker"? It has a slightly more old fashioned tone that seems to fit the universe a bit better.
scionofgrace From: scionofgrace Date: June 24th, 2005 03:02 am (UTC) (Link)
TOTAL ICON LOVE. I totally thought that sort of thing during that episode.
From: (Anonymous) Date: May 31st, 2013 09:34 pm (UTC) (Link)

threepio

3-PO also refers to Han as Master Solo, in fact the only non-droid entity he doesn't use some type of honorific when speaking to is chewbacca
alphabet26 From: alphabet26 Date: June 24th, 2005 12:43 am (UTC) (Link)
You could maybe make something up...we are long, long ago and far, far away. A fantasy series I like has "Dom" for Mr. "Domme" for Mrs. and "Domina" for Miss. It works.

Or maybe you could pull a French Revolution thing and have a variation on "citizen."

I don't even know why I'm suggesting, really, I don't follow SW that much. Just tossing some ideas out.
From: hobviously Date: June 24th, 2005 12:56 am (UTC) (Link)
Goodwife? Which, I don't even know who Shmi Skywalker is, but as far as I know that term is not actually restricted to married women, since it literally means "good woman" or something along those lines.
kat_denton From: kat_denton Date: June 24th, 2005 01:13 am (UTC) (Link)
I was thinking either "Mistress" or "Madam". Both have that 'old time' ring to them, slightly archiac and formal.

lannamichaels From: lannamichaels Date: June 24th, 2005 01:14 am (UTC) (Link)
I've seen Ser and Serra, but I think that was stolen from Scifi books.
rabidfangurl From: rabidfangurl Date: June 24th, 2005 01:30 am (UTC) (Link)
It was. Unfortunately, I'm blanking on which one, but I suspect Melissa Scott's Shadow Man. Of course, this could be totally wrong, but that's what happens when you read too much sci-fi. It all blends together
lannamichaels From: lannamichaels Date: June 24th, 2005 01:34 am (UTC) (Link)
I think I saw it in an Elizabeth Moon book. Can't remember the name.
lingzer0 From: lingzer0 Date: June 24th, 2005 02:49 am (UTC) (Link)
I think that's from C.J. Cherryh. I remember seeing that in one of her books, although I think it was Ser and Sera, rather than Ser and Serra.
honorh From: honorh Date: June 24th, 2005 02:27 am (UTC) (Link)
Threepio called Padme "Miss Padme," if that helps. Danged if I know.
imadra_blue From: imadra_blue Date: June 24th, 2005 04:29 am (UTC) (Link)
I don't think "Mrs." would work in SW, personally. "Madam" or "Mistress". I wouldn't use "Master" for anybody except a Jedi (it seems to be applied to one's elders, and not just the Masters, as the little boy calls Anakin "Master Skywalker"). In the case of a servant, of course, "Master" and "Mistress" might be proper, as Threepio uses thos. And "Miss" might be another proper name, Threepio uses it. I think "Mister" would work fine for the every day guys. It's also a term used in the military, and SW seems to have kept those, so... I'm rambling, but I'm usre you get the point. :D
leeflower From: leeflower Date: June 24th, 2005 06:10 am (UTC) (Link)
I've been wondering the same thing. Also, what is the title for a Jedi Knight who is not a Master? The younglings called Anakin "Master Skywalker," but would an actual Master adress him the same way?

Master and Mistress seem to work a lot better than Mr. and Mrs, for me anyway. I get around it sometimes by referring to people by their jobtitle-- Archivist this or Proprietor that, but that wouldn't work so well with "slave," or pretty much any blue-collar profession. It'd just sound even more awkward than it does already.
fenrisulven From: fenrisulven Date: June 24th, 2005 02:56 pm (UTC) (Link)
A Jedi who is apprenticed to a Jedi Knight/Master is called a Padawan. And one who has not yet been apprenticed is called a novice or (according to ROTS) youngling.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 24th, 2005 03:00 pm (UTC) (Link)
It was youngling in AotC as well, though Yoda also refers to them as "padawans" ("The padawan is right") so that could be a more general term, or a kind of term of endearment for little kids, like calling an elementary school kid "my little scholar" if he does really well on a paper.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 24th, 2005 03:00 pm (UTC) (Link)
That said, no one in canon is referred to as "Padawan Skywalker" or "Padawan Kenobi." It seems to be a noun rather than a title.
spellingwitch From: spellingwitch Date: June 24th, 2005 07:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
I suspect Padawan is similar to "student." Or apprentice.
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 25th, 2005 11:01 pm (UTC) (Link)
Actually, I had a similar question, and a friend answered it quite nicely by emailing me this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Padawan#Jedi_ranks
It turns about there is a difference between "Youngling" and "Padawan."
leeflower From: leeflower Date: June 24th, 2005 05:25 pm (UTC) (Link)
no, I know that, but there's a rank between Padawan and Master, which is where Anakin is in Sith. He's not a padawan-- he got knighted in Clone Wars (hence the lack of a braid)-- but he's obviously not a Master.

So what do you call a Jedi Knight? Sir Ani?
darreldoomvomit From: darreldoomvomit Date: June 24th, 2005 08:25 am (UTC) (Link)
master and mistress work... for small children. madam sounds so formal. wow, that's a doozy.
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fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 24th, 2005 04:30 pm (UTC) (Link)
Jabba, Chewie, Lando, don't have honorifics.

They don't have honorifics, or no one uses them? That's mostly what I'm asking. (Lando is a Baron or somesuch in Cloud City by some source or another, so when I get stuck, I just call him "Baron Calrissian" or, post-RotJ, "General Calrissian.") But a little kid who doesn't have permission to use first names for adults would need something to say, even if the adult was immediately going to say, "Oh, no, just call me Chewie." What I'm looking for is the title that a kid would stumble over, like, "Hi there, Mister Ch... er, Doctor Ch... er, Lietenant Ch..." before Chewie rolls his eyes has someone tell the sufferer "It's just Chewbacca."
thewhiteowl From: thewhiteowl Date: June 24th, 2005 07:51 pm (UTC) (Link)
I would go with 'Mistress'. Old-fashioned Scottish catchall, like 'Ms' only better (how does one even pronounce 'Ms'? Mzzz?)
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 24th, 2005 11:32 pm (UTC) (Link)
Miz. My mother loathes it. I also dislike it strongly, but I'm not at the point (yet) where I grit my teeth and hiss, "It's Miss." It's just nto aesthetically pleasing.

"Mistress," which is the root of all of them, sounds classier to me, but has acquired a naughty air.

I'm up for rehabilitating it, though. :)
locked_door998 From: locked_door998 Date: June 24th, 2005 09:05 pm (UTC) (Link)
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darth_pipes From: darth_pipes Date: June 25th, 2005 06:51 am (UTC) (Link)
I've always liked addressing people as a functional human being. ;)
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