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Tatooine ages - The Phantom Librarian
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fernwithy
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Tatooine ages
Obviously, Tatooine's suns age people kind of prematurely. Owen and Beru should be roughly in their early forties, but were played by people who were fifty-four and sixty, respectively. So, Shmi is played by a forty year old woman in TPM... Does it seem reasonable that she's actually in her early thirties?

(Because I don't want to spend a whole eighteen years of my story before she ends up on Tatooine. ;))

No, actually, I really am wondering. Alec Guiness wasn't too far a match--62, maybe six years older than Obi-Wan would have been, and if it starts with Ewan MacGregor's age at the time of filming TPM (that started filming in '97, right?), only three years difference (I'm assuming Obi-Wan was actually supposed to be younger than twenty-six in TPM, if Anakin's getting all itchy about the trials at the ripe old age of nineteen, though I could be wrong). So forty could be reasonable for Shmi in TPM.
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titti From: titti Date: June 28th, 2005 09:59 pm (UTC) (Link)
According to SW official time line, Obi Wan is exactly 25 at the start of TMP. I don't know if that helps in any way.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 28th, 2005 10:03 pm (UTC) (Link)
It means AG would only have been about four years older than Obi-Wan would be. He was on Tatooine less time than Owen and Beru were, and not out in the suns farming. I guess I'd better stick close to Pernilla August's age, since Shmi was an indoor sort of slave.
titti From: titti Date: June 28th, 2005 10:07 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yes, I would do that as well.
darth_pipes From: darth_pipes Date: June 28th, 2005 10:21 pm (UTC) (Link)
Maybe the Skywalkers just age better than everyone else. ;)
leeflower From: leeflower Date: June 28th, 2005 11:13 pm (UTC) (Link)
Anakin's already passed his trials by the time episode three starts. I guess that's a privilage of prodigy status. He's itchy about being a Master, but he is kinda a youngin to even be past his trials.
tunxeh From: tunxeh Date: June 28th, 2005 11:31 pm (UTC) (Link)
Obviously, Tatooine's suns age people kind of prematurely. Owen and Beru should be roughly in their early forties, but were played by people who were fifty-four and sixty, respectively.

So, your explanation for the apparent ages of the actors playing Lily and James in the HP movies is that encounters with Voldemort age people prematurely, too?
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 28th, 2005 11:34 pm (UTC) (Link)
I haven't come up with a good one for that. It ages Sirius, Remus, Peter, and Snape as well, so it's a possibility... But if the woman they have playing Lily is twenty-two, then Pernilla August can certainly be assumed to be playing a thirty-year-old! (Or less!)
From: (Anonymous) Date: June 29th, 2005 12:50 am (UTC) (Link)
Isn't the reason that Anakin's getting all itchy about the trials that he's, well, Anakin? I mean, he has such a complex. About everything, really, but especially about being better than the rest of the Jedi. So he expects himself to be a Knight after only ten years with the Order and a Master after thirteen... compared to Obi-Wan, who's twenty-five before he even takes his trials. *rolls eyes* It's not completely his fault, of course. Everyone expects him to be better, and at the same time they expect him to fail.
sonetka From: sonetka Date: June 29th, 2005 12:54 am (UTC) (Link)
I don't see any problem with making her early-thirties. I mean, in TPM she's an indoor slave but it's anyone's guess (well, I bet you have an idea :)) what sort of work she's had to do before. I don't mean that she was a field labourer or anything, but even just having to run a lot of errands every day, in a climate like that, probably starts to make you look a little older - especially if you're not getting quite enough sleep or quite enough food. Again, I don't mean that she'd be overworked or starved to any point that could be considered abusive, it's just that being a slave, her needs would likely never be considered first - if someone needs to be routed out of bed two hours early to work on a certain project, or if the food runs a little short and someone has to make do with bread and no meat - well, guess who's the unlucky one.
sannalim From: sannalim Date: June 29th, 2005 12:59 am (UTC) (Link)
I'd been wondering about the age thing, too, after finally seeing Episode III. Kenobi in Star Wars appears to be sixtyish, but Kenobi in Episode III doesn't seem fortyish to me. Thirtyish, maybe even thirty-five-ish, but not fortyish.

Am looking forward to the next installment of this story. :)
coralia13 From: coralia13 Date: June 29th, 2005 04:45 am (UTC) (Link)
I think it makes sense that Tatooine's suns and wind and sand would age people prematurely. I don't think the apparent Obi-Wan conflict is really a conflict at all; one assumes that his activities on Tatooine would be very different from those of Shmi, Owen, and Beru, who were all essentially laborers, forced to work outside, facing the constant wear and tear of the environment. I think Shmi could definitely be in her early thirties, as long as you touch on the aging effects of Tatooine in your fic, so people understand why she looked so old in TPM.
neotoma From: neotoma Date: June 29th, 2005 02:16 pm (UTC) (Link)
I think you could go with Shmi being mid-thirties, easily. If you ever look through a comparative anthropology text, you've probably noticed that Westerners look much younger than other people of the same age. Our lives are much easier, and without the drain of daily manual labour, we don't wear out as fast.

Obi-Wan's age and appearance are bit messy for the SW timeline. If he's 25 in TPM, he's 35 in AtoC and 38 in RotS. Depending on how old Luke is in ANH -- I'm going with 18 -- Obi-Wan is only 56. He's rather weathered for that age, but as he's living in a desert and far from even the minimal comfort of an oasis town, it's not too surprising. He could be even younger, if you think he's younger than 25 in TPM, which could be argued.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 29th, 2005 02:29 pm (UTC) (Link)
True--if I could work in that she is aging prematurely (or at least what she seems as prematurely) then I could probably shave ten of those fifteen years off. I'm probably just being a smidgen lazy--the story is going to be too short to really cover from the time Shmi is thirteen until Anakin is three if she's really forty in TPM!

I think the twins are supposed to be twenty (I seem to remember TPM being dated at 32 years before ANH, which actually would make the happy medium of 19, but I also remember Luke being identified as twenty), which would make him 58, only four years younger than Alec Guiness's actual age when ANH was filmed.
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