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Spewing out too many words since November 2003
fernwithy
fernwithy
Horcruxes
Probably everyone has to do this post, right? :p


Okay, so, seven locations for Voldie's soul.

1. Current body. (Where this resided for the years after killing the Potters is a good question.)
2. Nagini (probable)
3. The ring (destroyed)
4. The diary
(Probable)
5. Slytherin's locket, now elsewhere
6. Hufflepuff's goblet
7. Probably something of Ravenclaw's

I've heard the theory that Harry himself is the last Horcrux, which has some appeal, but reading back through the chapter, Dumbledore takes the trouble to remind us that Voldemort's soul was unable to survive in Harry without enduring "mortal agony." The same would be true of Ginny, plus it was established that the destruction of the diary destroyed that Horcrux. So while I see the logic of that and think that a fantastic conflict could be set up, I don't think it works with the logic of the thing.

What strikes me about this list is that the of the ones that aren't destroyed, three are probably connected to Hogwarts, and the other two are mobile. I think that they're all at the school, one way or the other, and R.A.B. will lead Harry back there.

I may add more later, but I have to get ready for work now.

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inwonderland_ From: inwonderland_ Date: July 18th, 2005 12:06 pm (UTC) (Link)
*memories* I keep losing track of which items are Horcruxes. *is forgetful* I didn't think Harry was one either, it just sems to... I don't know, obvious, maybe? Hmm.
meredith_eats From: meredith_eats Date: July 18th, 2005 12:17 pm (UTC) (Link)
I've read that theory too and I don't understand why Voldemort would *want* to use Harry as a horcrux. Dumbledore said that using a living thing is quite dangerous, even if it is your favorite pet. If that's the case, would you really want to put a fragment of your soul in your worst enemy whom you've repeatedly attempted to kill? Too risky IMHO. Anyway, what would have happened to the soul fragment if Harry were killed?
fiatincantatum From: fiatincantatum Date: July 18th, 2005 12:38 pm (UTC) (Link)
Actually, I was convinced that Harry was one accidentally... that Voldemort was prepared to make one, but the rebounding curse caused that portion of soul to go into Harry instead of wherever he intended it to go. Dumbledore DID say that Voldemort transfered some of his powers that night, including Parseltongue, and the diary fragment was able to cause Ginny to speak Parseltongue, so it seemed like a good bet at the time.

However, Fernwithy makes an excellent point about Voldemort not being able to share Harry's body, so I think I may have been wrong.
dizzy_chisel From: dizzy_chisel Date: July 18th, 2005 12:24 pm (UTC) (Link)
You've convinced me that Harry is not a Horcrux.

One item I find likely is the Sorting Hat: a) once belonged to Gryffindor; b) is already sentient and has "bits" of at least three founders inside -- Slytherin probably had left already when it was made; so young Riddle might have felt it necessary to add a bit of his own soul, for "balance"; which might in turn mean that since Riddle's time, the Hat might have selected precisely for the most toxic Dark-leanings and pureblood ideology, instead of just shrewdness and ambition; c) JKR said somewhere that there's more to the Sorting Hat than meets the eye.
cheshyre From: cheshyre Date: July 18th, 2005 12:36 pm (UTC) (Link)
How would V get at the Sorting Hat to cast the spell?

Could that have been the ulterior motive in his visit to Dumbledore to teach Dark Arts? To get alone with the Hat?
danel4d From: danel4d Date: July 18th, 2005 01:00 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yes, I've seen lots of people suggesting that Ginny or Harry are Horcruxes... while I can see some lovely tragic fic potential there, I just don't think it works... Diary!Tom's explanation of pouring his soul into Ginny implied that this was when he was controlling her, and in any event she was moments from death anyway, since he planned to drain her to incarnate himself. And the idea of Harry having to die at the conclusion of the series... no. Just no.

By the way, is it okay if I add you to me flist? I've only just started getting to grips with the whole wacky business, so...
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: July 18th, 2005 01:59 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm more or less cool with any friend who wants to add me. I don't keep hyper-personal stuff in here.
straussmonster From: straussmonster Date: July 18th, 2005 02:01 pm (UTC) (Link)
Current enjoyable horcrux theory:

Dumbledore wrecked a hand destroying one. Who has a magical hand, that we know? Peter is not happy where he is, methinks. He doesn't like being Snape's slave, and he's listening at doors. As Harry spared Peter from the Furies, Peter canonically owes Harry a big one.

So maybe our shock is going to be Peter breaking away from his housemate and making some recompense for his previous failures of will and self-preservation above all.
thewhiteowl From: thewhiteowl Date: July 18th, 2005 03:12 pm (UTC) (Link)
So does any destruction of a Horcrux take a hand? The Trio only have six between them, after all...
lannamichaels From: lannamichaels Date: July 18th, 2005 02:22 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't think the last one is in Harry so much as on him. I think it's his scar. That said, I think what Voldemort meant the last one to be was in Godric's Hollow that night. Now I just have to go back and read through and think about what that could be.
genesse From: genesse Date: July 18th, 2005 02:54 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't think that Harry (or Ginny, for that matter) is a Horcrux, incidental or not. But I do think that it's possible that an incidental Horcrux could be found a Godric's Hollow. Harry's never expressed an interest in going there before, or even visiting the graves of his parents, and I think that there might be something drawing him there.
From: finmagik Date: July 18th, 2005 04:12 pm (UTC) (Link)
You know There was that locket wikth many charms that no one could open in Otoop was probably Slytherin's Locket, I'd bet a drabble on it.
dalf From: dalf Date: July 18th, 2005 05:03 pm (UTC) (Link)
What about the locket? The line in OotP while they are cleanning out 12GP saying they "found a heavey locket that no one coudl open" .... can't open because of whats in it I bet. Regulus did live at 12GP ... or at least he could have gone bacak there and hidden it.
violetsocks From: violetsocks Date: July 18th, 2005 05:45 pm (UTC) (Link)

Regarding the locket...

Thought I'd remind you, in the beginning of OotP the gang found a locket in a curio of some kind among other things while they were cleaning out the house. No one could open it.

This confirms that R.A.B. was Regulus.
silverhill From: silverhill Date: July 18th, 2005 06:07 pm (UTC) (Link)
I think the math seems off. But, seeing as this is J.K. Rowling we're talking about, that's hardly surprising.

Two horcruxes have been destroyed -- the diary and the ring. That leaves four horcruxes and the current location of his soul.

We are led to believe that if someone killed Voldemort's current physical incarnation, that seventh of his sould would die. But he wouldn't die completely because there are other living pieces of his soul out there, which he would then rely on.

So doesn't it make sense that when Avada Kedavra rebounded on Voldemort that that seventh of his soul was destroyed?

Or does his current soul go on lingering and can only be destroyed once all the horcruxes are destroyed?
murgatroyd314 From: murgatroyd314 Date: July 18th, 2005 08:01 pm (UTC) (Link)
In general, when the body dies, the soul moves on to whatever comes next. However, with the Horcruxes anchoring parts of the soul to earth, the part that was in V's body was unable to leave. That is what V was reduced to, "less than the meanest ghost", that possessed snakes and rodents in the forests of Albania.

This interpretation does open up another question, though: When a Horcrux is destroyed, does it destroy the soul fragment within, or merely set it loose wandering the earth?
marycontraria From: marycontraria Date: July 18th, 2005 06:29 pm (UTC) (Link)
I was about to say that I thought Nagini might be a red herring because the explanation for her being one of the Horcruxes at all seemed a bit glossed-over, but then I realised she mightn't be the only one - has anyone really paid any attention to the fact that Tom didn't even ask Slughorn about Horcruxes till after he'd already killed Myrtle and his father??
kinderjedi From: kinderjedi Date: July 18th, 2005 07:51 pm (UTC) (Link)
has anyone really paid any attention to the fact that Tom didn't even ask Slughorn about Horcruxes till after he'd already killed Myrtle and his father??

Myrtle was killed by the basilisk, though, and not directly by Tom, so I don't think we can count her in this instance. So it's possible he'd made just one horcrux by the time of his conversation with Slughorn and was simply looking for confirmation of his theories before moving on and making more.
zephprolixity From: zephprolixity Date: July 18th, 2005 09:31 pm (UTC) (Link)
Seven locations yes. But Voldemort's Body is not a Horcrux. So: Six Horcruxes.

"A Horcrux..." according to Slughorn, "is a word for an object in which a person has concealed a part of their soul." USHBP Pgs 497-498

Dumbledore says there are only six, on page 503 USHBP, "But firstly, no, Harry, not seven Horcruxes: six. The seventh part of his soul however maimed, resides inside his regenerated body. That was the part of him that lived a spectral existence for so many years during his exile; without that, he has no self at all. That seventh piece of soul will be the last that anybody wishing to kill Voldemort must attack -- the piece that lives in his body."

But I do think you have the general gist of things laid down pretty well.

1. Tom's diary (destroyed USHBP Pg 503)
2. Slytherin's/ Guant's ring (also destroyed USHBP Pg 503)
3. Slytherin's locket (stolen by R.A.B. possibly destroyed?)
4. Hufflepuff's cup?
5. Something of Ravenclaw's ???
6. Something of Gryffindor's ???

I'm wondering tho', if a Horcrux can be a living creature, has Voldie used Nagini as a Horcrux to replace the destroyed Diary?
sreya From: sreya Date: July 20th, 2005 09:53 am (UTC) (Link)
I think that they're all at the school, one way or the other, and R.A.B. will lead Harry back there.

Well, that would certainly explain Voldemort's later visit to Hogwarts to ask Dumbledore for the DADA position when they both know he won't get it!
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