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TLC interview spoilers
Everyone's talking about what's said about ships in the TLC/MuggleNet interview, but I noticed something else that she tossed in there without even thinking that it was questioned:

JKR said:
"But I thought of Draco as someone who is very capable of compartmentalizing his life and his emotions, and always has done. So he's shut down his pity, enabling him to bully effectively. He's shut down compassion — how else would you become a Death Eater?"

I know there was some argument--Harry never actually saw the Dark Mark and all that--but the fact that it was said casually in the context of other things pretty much confirms that Draco is, indeed, a Death Eater.

For the rest...

Learning more about Dumbledore in the next book? Interesting.

Sounds like we're right about Regulus--she seems pleased at the guess, and to have given the matter thought... especially since it was what she said she hoped she'd be asked.

Giggles and laughs at the oh-dear-maths on the number of people. Now she has another odd one with 3000 wizards/witches in all of Britain! With forty per year, as she says now seems to make sense, that's still about seventy in each of the four houses, so 280 students at Hogwarts... is nearly 1/10 of the wizarding population betwen the ages of 11 and 18 and attending Hogwarts? :p

She was surprised to find out that anyone had guessed R/T, and only found one reference. Oh, fellow crewmates on the Wotcher Wolvie... we weren't nearly loud enough! (Though at least it confirms that she didn't pluck it from fansites.)
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dreagoddess From: dreagoddess Date: July 20th, 2005 11:37 pm (UTC) (Link)
And she talks about the Sorting Hat!! *squeebounces*
rabidsamfan From: rabidsamfan Date: July 21st, 2005 12:02 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm cutting mine a lot longer than that -- I've got flist folks in countries where the translations not out and kids who are reading as fast as they can and in chapter four...

That's a great interview -- I'm glad you aimed us at it!
maple_clef From: maple_clef Date: July 21st, 2005 12:09 am (UTC) (Link)
Oh, fellow crewmates on the Wotcher Wolvie... we weren't nearly loud enough!

I guess not! A very interesting interview in general - not least her thoughts on fandom interpretation of the books. I was particularly interested that she brought up R/T herself and was clearly keen to hear the interviewers' opinions.
marycontraria From: marycontraria Date: July 21st, 2005 12:12 am (UTC) (Link)
I noticed the bit about Draco, too, and thought of you...

I was also surprised that even she thought people would see R/T as coming out of the woodwork. I didn't even begin to acquaint myself with fandom till a month or so after I'd read OotP, and have certainly never read any of the books with the goal of trying to ship anybody with anybody else, but even I noticed the obvious camaraderie between Lupin and Tonks right from the scene where she was introduced. And Harry's relations with both of them in HBP were an obvious contrast - in OotP they were usually together and usually happy, and in HBP they were never together and both described as drawn, tired, and unhappy. It wouldn't have been altogether surprising had it not been there, but it's certainly not surprising that it was! Although of course I'm preaching to the choir here. ;)
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: July 21st, 2005 12:22 am (UTC) (Link)
I get the impression that she thought she was being subtler than she was, and was surprised that there was a fandom for the ship. She probably doesn't realize that there's anyone, like, partying on board the Draco/Myrtle right now. ;P
marycontraria From: marycontraria Date: July 21st, 2005 12:25 am (UTC) (Link)
Teehee, the Draco/Myrtle... strangest mental picture of the day, thanks!!
persephone_kore From: persephone_kore Date: July 21st, 2005 12:32 am (UTC) (Link)
Heck, there's probably a Pince/Filch thread being dusted off somewhere in FA.... but I know I'd seen Draco/Myrtle. Hee.
sixth_light From: sixth_light Date: July 21st, 2005 02:00 am (UTC) (Link)
I think if anything she underestimates shippers. She seems to have only been really exposed to the rabid R/H vs. H/H Flame Wars. Thankfully, as I think we should protect her from, e.g., the existence of a Fenrir/Remus community for as long as humanly possible.

I also noticed that she seemed really pleased with Remus/Tonks, like it was her pet minor ship that she really wanted people to like. It made me feel all warm and fuzzy and safe from the JKR hate brigade.
marycontraria From: marycontraria Date: July 21st, 2005 05:32 am (UTC) (Link)
I liked that she seemed so tickled about R/T, it made me feel like maybe I can stop worrying quite so much about whether or not they'll make it through book seven alive.
sreya From: sreya Date: July 21st, 2005 05:58 am (UTC) (Link)
*giggling* Yes, the DD/MM ship... I cracked up when it turned out to actually be Draco in the bathroom crying! I'll admit I actually went "Maybe Draco?" when Myrtle talked about a boy coming in and crying... it tickled me when I was right!
lucyparavel From: lucyparavel Date: July 21st, 2005 12:30 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm always with JKR on the "oh, dear Maths" response so I have sympathy for her there. I haven't read the interview yet, I must do so right away! Just commenting to tell you that I love your fiction and your thoughts about various fandoms. I'm finally being brave and commenting to tell you so. I've friended you as well, I hope that's all right.

This is the wrong thread to talk about it-but I had tons of thoughts about your Star Wars brothers vs father and son essay. Quickly, I finished raising a sister after our mom died and its a very difficult and confusing thing to do that's hard from both sides. I'm sure it will continue to always effect our relationship. I thought you did a great job of outlining the difficuties in such a switch of roles and differing needs. Sorry I didn't get around to commenting about it at the time. It's been a hectic month.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: July 21st, 2005 12:41 am (UTC) (Link)
Oh, thanks!

And of course you can friend; I like friends. Though I may not friend back right awy, because my f-list is getting kind of hard to keep up with.
lilac_bearry From: lilac_bearry Date: July 21st, 2005 02:05 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm ecstatic about Dumbledore backstory! Probably from that new portrait, and that handy pensieve.
rabidtolkienfan From: rabidtolkienfan Date: July 21st, 2005 02:14 am (UTC) (Link)
Oh man, I nearly died of giggles at this portion of the interview!
And yay for JKR being awful at maths!
(I NEVER thought R/T would be canon, but I'm not complaining! I had to read the passage about twelve times to make sure I wan't seeing things!)
disturbed_kiwi From: disturbed_kiwi Date: July 21st, 2005 04:23 am (UTC) (Link)
I was just flicking through it and it seems to me that she didn't mean 3000 witches/wizards in al; Britain. She was discussing how many students were a tthe school and then realising that they might go to other schools etc, so I got 3000 witch/wiozard children. Then add parents, other magic types, etc
leeflower From: leeflower Date: July 21st, 2005 04:32 am (UTC) (Link)
I wonder if I could ask you the huge favor of cutting them for an extra week, as I probably won't even get it until saturday. I understand if it's too much of an inconvenience, but I'd reeeeaaally appreciate it.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: July 21st, 2005 04:39 am (UTC) (Link)
Anything I'm discussing in depth will get cut--just seems kind to the f-list--but I'm not going to be terribly careful about minor things in titles--who gets picked for a team or whatever, which I almost slipped on yesterday.
leeflower From: leeflower Date: July 21st, 2005 04:53 am (UTC) (Link)
oh ok, that's fine, no worries.

I'd just rather not know major points (like who the half-blood prince is) before I pick it up.
chocolatepot From: chocolatepot Date: July 22nd, 2005 12:54 am (UTC) (Link)
Your ICON! Gwuh. Just ... wonderful.
leeflower From: leeflower Date: July 22nd, 2005 07:22 am (UTC) (Link)
heheh, I love Christian Bale as much as the next girl, but really, somebody had to do it :).

Feel free to snag it if you'd like.
thewhiteowl From: thewhiteowl Date: July 21st, 2005 07:23 am (UTC) (Link)
Hurrah for R/T!!!
murgatroyd314 From: murgatroyd314 Date: July 21st, 2005 08:56 am (UTC) (Link)
From the perspective of someone as far from JKR on the mathematical-thinking scale as it's possible to get:

Giggles and laughs at the oh-dear-maths on the number of people. Now she has another odd one with 3000 wizards/witches in all of Britain! With forty per year, as she says now seems to make sense, that's still about seventy in each of the four houses, so 280 students at Hogwarts... is nearly 1/10 of the wizarding population betwen the ages of 11 and 18 and attending Hogwarts? :p
Assuming 40 per year, and a total of 3000, that puts the average lifespan of a British wizard at 75 years. Which contradicts her statement in an earlier interview that "Wizards have a much longer life expectancy than Muggles". Either that, or an incredible number of wizards die young, and the remainder go on for centuries.

Oh well, at least she was honest with "don't hold me to these figures, because that's not how I think".
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 21st, 2005 09:07 am (UTC) (Link)
She was surprised to find out that anyone had guessed R/T, and only found one reference. Oh, fellow crewmates on the Wotcher Wolvie... we weren't nearly loud enough! (Though at least it confirms that she didn't pluck it from fansites.)


Smart woman. But who can blame her? Technically, it's not bad thing - they are her characters at any rate. And as a laid-back R/T shipper, I'm crowing with the idea that I somehow had something to do with getting my favourite ship to sail. But I understand why she'll never admit to that - lawsuits et al. ;)
From: a_p_ Date: July 21st, 2005 10:33 am (UTC) (Link)
(Just wanted to say that I love the icon -- and the Sarah/John icon at your LJ. :) I'm a huge Terminator fan.)

moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 21st, 2005 10:45 am (UTC) (Link)
thanks! there r so few terminator fans on the net!

are u d same a/p in anakinskywalkerhomepage forums?
From: a_p_ Date: July 21st, 2005 10:56 am (UTC) (Link)
I am the same a-p. :D

And I'm with you about there being too few fans online, at least that I've found. There are too few places to talk Terminator (know of any good ones?) -- so don't even get me started, because I *love* to discuss those movies, and Sarah/John is a OTP of mine, for sure. :) We should discuss this further!
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 21st, 2005 11:38 am (UTC) (Link)
we ought to!

emm.. since this is fern's journal, maybe we should move it elsewhere? your place or mine?
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 21st, 2005 11:40 am (UTC) (Link)
but i didn't make the icons, just so you know! i got them from a very wonderful person at tech_noir
From: a_p_ Date: July 21st, 2005 02:05 pm (UTC) (Link)
First, I can't *believe* I wrote Sarah/John up above. Yikes!

Second, yes, we should move this...you can email me, PM me at the ASHP, or tell me where else we might talk. :)

Is tech noir a Terminator site?

moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 21st, 2005 02:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
yes, it is. okay, i've officially moved this to my journal.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: July 21st, 2005 01:19 pm (UTC) (Link)
And as a laid-back R/T shipper, I'm crowing with the idea that I somehow had something to do with getting my favourite ship to sail. But I understand why she'll never admit to that - lawsuits et al. ;)

Actualy, I'm glad to hear that she got it from her own head and not ours. It means that we didn't influence her. We were just right. Screw love. Best feeling in the world is vindication.
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 21st, 2005 01:32 pm (UTC) (Link)
nah, still thinks she snitched it from the Net. But that doesn't stop me from rubbing it in the faces of all the R/S fans. :p Truth be told, having Sirius die in OotP was one of the best things that happened to fandom. I was just about sick of all the Padmoony stories on the Net.

I think JK was too!
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: July 21st, 2005 01:34 pm (UTC) (Link)
No, it was definitely set up in OotP, and the fact that she seemed quite genuinely surprised is what pleased me most about it. She meant it all along. We saw right. :does Being Right dance:
moonspinner From: moonspinner Date: July 21st, 2005 01:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
Well, I'm happy either way. I don't think she'd tell though if she did take it from the Net. :p
My own grumble is that there was no mention of Krum. It would have beenmuch nicer if Hermione had written a couple of tomes to him instead of acting like a total jealous hag but then again... It was nice to see Ms Perfect lose her cool.

Emm.. I hope this isn't plugging but if you have time can you pop over to my journal and see my most recent entry? I'd really like to know what you think.... ::blushes hard::
From: nothing_gold Date: July 21st, 2005 11:28 pm (UTC) (Link)
Add to being right how much we got bashed for our ship supposedly coming out of nowhere, and the vindication is that much sweeter.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: July 21st, 2005 11:46 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh, yeah. I'm having very unattractive feelings of gloat-ship for that reason above all others--the notion that all R/Ters were just squeeful little teenybopper fangirls who just could handle the oh-so-incontrovertible fact that Remus was gay, which intelligent adults all knew... man, my feelings are unattractive about this. And of course, the argument I've now seen three times is that we need to still accept that Remus is gay, is settling for Tonks (or maybe wants her because she can morph into a guy), or may well leave her at the altar, in an oh-so-hilarious scene where he tells her about his preferences, because, you know, Remus is just that kind of sadist. :rolleyes:
chocolatepot From: chocolatepot Date: July 22nd, 2005 12:56 am (UTC) (Link)
I've been doing the gloating-dance far too often lately, esp. as I have friends who are angry at Jo for being nasty or summat. Oh well.
From: gunderpants Date: July 21st, 2005 10:37 am (UTC) (Link)
At any rate, it is making me look forward to the next installment of the interview. Certainly will be interesting if she ever addresses R/S.
a_t_rain From: a_t_rain Date: July 21st, 2005 02:22 pm (UTC) (Link)
Actually, I used to think she had a deliberate policy of not discussing R/S, but after reading the interview, I think there's a good chance that it simply hasn't registered on her radar. She seemed surprised that one person tumbled to R/T, which tells me she hasn't spent much time reading threads about Lupin's love life. I have a feeling she probably made a beeline for the Trio discussions when she discovered fansites, and never looked all that closely at what people were saying about the adults.

It would be hilarious if she simply had no idea that the R/S shippers existed, and it would certainly explain why she blithely rushed in where angels fear to tread.
chocolatepot From: chocolatepot Date: July 22nd, 2005 12:59 am (UTC) (Link)
And then the stir in fandom it would cause when she did realize it was there, and made a statement about it ...

But the thing is, if she says, "Yes, in my head Remus and Sirius did have a More Than Brotherly relationship," many people will say, "OMGWTFBBQ TEH CHILDREN!!" And if she says, "I have no clue where this came from; I never intended it," many people will say, "OMGWTFPOLARBEAR TEH HOMOPHOBIA!!"
a_t_rain From: a_t_rain Date: July 22nd, 2005 02:05 am (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, too true -- that's precisely why I figured she probably had a policy of not discussing it. Whatever she says, she makes somebody angry.

The one situation where I would have expected her to comment, prior to HBP, would be if she were in fact writing R/S "between the lines" and planned to make it explicit in future books, in which case she might well want to give the parents a heads-up.

Of course, it seems clear now that she wasn't doing anything of the sort, so I have a feeling her mouth is going to remain firmly shut on this issue -- if she even knows that the issue exists.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: July 22nd, 2005 03:45 am (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, too true -- that's precisely why I figured she probably had a policy of not discussing it. Whatever she says, she makes somebody angry.

That's exactly why I never thought she'd make Remus/Tonks canon. I thought it was pretty clear that's where she was going, but I thought that if she actually did it, she'd be getting an insane amount of mail accusing her of homophobia and bigotry and intolerance (despite the fact that she never once said anything about either of htem being gay), and it just wouldn't be worth the trouble.
jedirita From: jedirita Date: July 22nd, 2005 04:33 pm (UTC) (Link)
Can I just ask a question? Because I'm not really sure where to ask, but I know you're a Lupin/Tonks gal. Are all the L/Ters really happy with the book, or does anyone feel that the pairing wasn't done justice? I mean, I'm sorry but I did *not* like the way Tonks was portrayed in this book, all mopey and pining and crying. That just seems so out of character for the Tonks we saw in book five, too sappy and wimpy. I have no problem at all with the pairing, but I'm upset by how it - and particularly Tonks - was portrayed. Do any of the shippers feel that way?
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: July 22nd, 2005 04:42 pm (UTC) (Link)
Most of us are just delighted at our observations being vindicated.

I addressed Tonks's behavior in the post on the limits of a single POV--generally speaking, I'm willing to forgive things that are obviously necessary in order to make even thick-headed Harry go, "Hey, wait a minute... something's odd here!" If she'd been all stiff-upper-lippy and cheerful, he wouldn't have noticed a thing.
jedirita From: jedirita Date: July 22nd, 2005 05:12 pm (UTC) (Link)
She didn't have to be cheerful. She could have been rather surly and cranky, which strikes me as more in character for her. Of course, the reality is that Tonks doesn't get much screen time in either of the books, which leaves a lot of room for interpretation. But I *did* find the way JKR handled it to be very annoying. In fact, on the whole I didn't like how JKR portrayed women in love.

But then, that's a subject for an entire essay.
a_t_rain From: a_t_rain Date: July 22nd, 2005 06:33 pm (UTC) (Link)
If I'm interpreting the interview correctly, Tonks' behavior is also an intentional red herring, and thus necessary for plot reasons. She has to wander around Hogsmeade behaving oddly enough to make readers wonder whether she's under Imperius or a Polyjuiced impostor, in order to draw attention away from Madam Rosmerta, which is where we should be looking.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: July 22nd, 2005 06:39 pm (UTC) (Link)
Mm-hmm. That's another big reason for it--the connection Harry makes between Draco and Tonks is a flashing misdirection there (though of course it turns out that in both cases, it's because of an emotional upset rather than being Imperio'd.)
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