?

Log in

No account? Create an account
entries friends calendar profile Previous Previous Next Next
Devaluing canon - The Phantom Librarian
Spewing out too many words since November 2003
fernwithy
fernwithy
Devaluing canon
Basically going off of this post at fanficrants.

Okay, so you want to write a ship that's contraindicated by canonical pairings. Anakin loves Mace Windu rather than Padmé; Willow goes bananas over Riley instead of Tara; Remus loves Sirius rather than Tonks.

Personally, it's not my thing--I do my best to keep to write within the boundaries of canon even if I'm not wild about it, 'cause hey, that's why I'm writing fanfic instead of original fic; it's just the way the game is played, and not doing it would feel as weird to me as having a rook move diagonally in chess--but if you must, then do.

But please, don't devalue what's actually in the canon when you do it.

I've talked before about not insulting other fanon ships when there's no need to. Before HBP, I mentioned that R/Ters shouldn't do things to devalue R/S, because if you're positing R/T, you don't need to acknowledge R/S, and it's better if you don't. Why throw down a gauntlet and use your story to argue ships rather than, I don't know, telling a story? If both ships are equally fanon, then the best approach is to not address the subject of "competing ships" at all.

But when you're dealing with the canon, you're dealing with a different sort of animal. The canon is how we know what we know about the characters. Anakin is in love with Padmé. Kind of dangerously sometimes, but very sincerely. Willow loved Oz, then Tara. And Remus loves Tonks, and Harry loves Ginny, and Bill loves Fleur, and Ron loves Hermione, and in all of those cases, it's reciprocated. These are things that are true of these characters no matter what else you decide to write about in fanfic.

That means that any counter-shipping has to be aware of the actual, canon ship. You can't use the fanon approach of just ignoring it.

And that means that R/Sers have to deal with R/T, H/Hrs have to deal with R/Hr and H/G, A/Oers have to deal with A/P, and so on. The canon has given us a piece of information about that character's romantic preferences, and that information is part of who that character is. It may not be a more important part than something else, but it is part of the absolute information that we have, and is no longer in the realm of fannish speculation.

So let's see. How is this approached?

  • Tonks morphs into Sirius so that Lupin won't have touch an icky, icky girl, and that's why he puts up with her.
  • Anakin realizes that he's just been idealizing Padmé, while his True Love is Obi-Wan. Oh, and Padmé is just a weak-willed twit.
  • Ron is an abusive lout, and Hermione runs to Harry (or maybe Draco) to avoid him.
  • Harry is an abusive twit, and Ginny runs off to Draco for some comfort sex.


And so on. I don't read much Buffy-fic, so I don't know the clichés there, but I'm willing to guess that you see some abusive Xanders, manipulative Taras, and self-obsessed Angels.

Stop it. Please. Just bloody freaking stop it.

If you like a character as he or she is, then please keep that in mind. Remus is not going to string along a woman who loves him just because he can use her morphing abilities to make her look like someone else. That's just skeazy, and Remus is a classy guy. Anakin sells his soul for Padmé's sake; honestly, the boy's probably not faking it in the sack (not to mention that their love is the cornerstone of the continuation of the saga, and devaluing it devalues the twins as well). Ron's not perfect, but he's obviously seen as a good guy who is not just Hermione's love interest but also one of her two best friends. Harry also loves and trusts him. Turning him into a lout or a Death Eater is ridiculous. If you want to break up R/Hr, come up with a reason that's respectful to both of them and their canon functions. Harry might try to crucio Bella, but he's never going to lay a finger on Ginny. Oh, and btb, Ginny=not a slut, not someone who is going to cheat on Harry right and left, etc.

RESPECT THE CANON.

Characterization counts. If you really think that characters A and B as presented in canon are badly paired, even though neither is presented as craven, then there must be some reason for it other than, "I don't like people like that in real life, so character A can't like them, either." Write the characters as they would actually behave in a given situation. And if your counter-ship is a kind of behind-the-backs of the canon ship, it's not going to be remotely sympathetic if the person in the canon ship does nothing but complain about how his/her canon partner is just awful. I mean, in that case, why does character A love character B in the first place? It's a lot more interesting if character A loves character B deeply, but is conflicted because of character C, who is also a good person. And all of them need to be loved for themselves. I mean, if you want to think about it, imagine the scenario reversed, and your fanon pairing being ridiculed by the canon pairing--Sirius dressing up as Tonks, or Harry punching Hermione in the face, or Obi-Wan weeping ineffectually and driving Anakin crazy. You'd know that both members of the relationship were out of character then, so why would they be less out of character if the canon relationship--the one that's an established part of their personalities--is portrayed that way?

Sigh.

Just please. Respect canon characterization, even if you're not going to stand by canonical choices. Don't devalue a canon ship, even if you're going to do a different one.

Rant out.
58 comments or Leave a comment
Comments
Page 1 of 2
[1] [2]
calixa From: calixa Date: August 15th, 2005 08:56 pm (UTC) (Link)
Amen.
equustel From: equustel Date: August 15th, 2005 08:58 pm (UTC) (Link)
Thank. You.

I'm a bit tired of the knee-jerk "bo-ring!" reaction to canon ships of late, in every fandom. If nothing about the relationships the way they are interests you, what drew you to the canon in the first place...? The slash potential?

Argh!
dramaturgy From: dramaturgy Date: August 15th, 2005 09:09 pm (UTC) (Link)
Word.
likeafox From: likeafox Date: August 15th, 2005 09:12 pm (UTC) (Link)
To tell the truth, in never-gonna-happen pairings (eg. H/D, D/G, etc.) I actually prefer the ignore the conflicting canon ship method. Of course, this is because in most of the never-gonna-happen ships I read I also ship those characters in other almost-certainly-gonna-happen ships, and it hurts to see my ship (eg. H/G, R/Hr, etc.) debunked, no matter how much I enjoy the other pairing.

Also, for me the ignore it and hope it goes away method of dealing with a conflicting ship is far preferable to some of the stuff fic writers do, such as killing/evil-izing Ron or making Ginny a bitchy slut, or making Harry use Ginny, only to dump her later because he never liked her in the first place. Most of the time I read non-canon ships because I enjoy them, not because I don't enjoy canon ships. I would never want to actually break up Harry and Ginny, and I don't want to see that happen in any fic, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying a good H/D fic (and there are those out there who keep the two very in character, especially now that HBP has shown that third dimension to Draco).
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: August 15th, 2005 11:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
Also, for me the ignore it and hope it goes away method of dealing with a conflicting ship is far preferable to some of the stuff fic writers do, such as killing/evil-izing Ron or making Ginny a bitchy slut,

Oh, absolutely; ignoring is better than that. But I don't think a canon choice can be legitimately ignored by fanfic--the canon choices are how we know who a character is, so even if you decide to go AU (speculate that Ginny and Dean went off to celebrate alone after the Quidditch win or whatnot and Harry never got together with her), Harry is still the sort of person who would fall in love with a person like Ginny, or at least more to the point, the sort of person who doesn't dislike someone like Ginny. It says about him that he likes girls, people with a rather biting sense of humor, a partner who shares his priorities, etc, etc, etc. You can't ignore his canon preferences to make him wild about a whiny boy with no sense of humor who doesn't care a whit about his mission--that's out of character.
seangaffney From: seangaffney Date: August 15th, 2005 09:19 pm (UTC) (Link)
I haven't really seen a lot of manipulative Taras, to be honest. Most of the Willowfics that have her with someone else either try the 'Willow is straight in this fic and never met Tara' approach, or go with the 'Tara is too sweet to keep Willow when she really loves someone else so lets her go off with her true love' deal.

Now, manipulative WILLOW, a whole lot of Tara/someone else fics have that. In spades.
jesspallas From: jesspallas Date: August 15th, 2005 09:22 pm (UTC) (Link)
AMEN. Amen, Amen, Amen.

I was actually sat at work today thinking about this and made a few quick notes with the intent of writing a rant upon this very subject but I think you've covered everything I wanted to say far more eloquently than I would have. My specific gripe is against Using-Git-Oh-Be-Sirius-For-Me-Tonks!Remus, which something that I absolutely despise. It's completely out of character, utterly disrespectful to all characters involved and frankly, if those who write it really think that Remus could be so sick and selfish in regards to someone who loves him as Tonks clearly does, they certainly haven't been reading the same books as me.

Anyway, thank you very much for putting my feelings into words.
caitie From: caitie Date: August 15th, 2005 09:23 pm (UTC) (Link)
Word to you entire post, but (personally speaking) I think this is one of those sorts of things that's easier in theory than in practice. Whenever I'm lucky enough to be a fan of canon (and I say lucky because I am primarily involved in TV fandoms, and canon is almost never consistent), the devaluation of canon relationships and characters drives me up the wall. But I can look back and think of time when I was on the other side of the problem, particularly when I think of Gilmore Girls in regards to Chris messing up Luke/Lorelai or Dean interfering with Rory/Jess. I let myself get bogged down in hatred for a character specifically because I liked another relationship better.

I like to think that you'd be hard pressed to find a fan that hasn't been on both sides of this conflict, but perhaps I'm an example of one of the not-so-exemplary shippers. *meep*

This icon is particularly appropriate for this post; the reason I chose it was because I was sick and tired of seeing that particular picture of the trio chopped strategically so that it can be used as a Harry/Hermione moment. There is NO trio without Ron, dammit!
rabidsamfan From: rabidsamfan Date: August 15th, 2005 09:46 pm (UTC) (Link)
Well, actually I don't care whether or not a story acknowledges the canonical relationship. I prefer a straightforward AU to a story where Rosie Cotton is a slut so Sam can love Frodo instead. And I read non-canonical relationship stories as AUs -- I always have. Whether or not the author put the label there is beside the point.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: August 15th, 2005 11:24 pm (UTC) (Link)
But even an AU doesn't escape the canon-compliant cause--if Sam loves Rosie, that says something about who he is even if he'd never met her (for one thing, he's at the very least bi). AU requires even better understanding of the characters and what they would do in changed circumstances than plain old canon speculation.
cheddartrek From: cheddartrek Date: August 15th, 2005 09:56 pm (UTC) (Link)
Agreed! Excellent post.

I've been lurking around your journal since about 2/3 of the way through [i]Shifts[/i] when I realized that there was more of it here than elsewhere. A friend has been pestering me to create an account here since she wants me to read her "friends-only" journal and I've just done it.

I didn't know you liked "Buffy the Vampire Slayer." I've just picked up the obsession myself. I never watched a single episode of it until two weeks ago when our cable and internet were both out. We rented Season 1 from Blockbuster and I got hooked. I'm on Season 4 now.

I don't fancy reading much Fanfiction in this area either, but I would really like to find a good fic about Giles in a "Father Figure" role. I can't get enough of him and most of the fic I've found is Buffy/Giles Romance.

Cheers,
CheddarTrek
cambryn From: cambryn Date: August 15th, 2005 10:15 pm (UTC) (Link)
I COMPLETELY agree.

I am getting SO tired of people belittling, bashing, making up crazy theories, and calling JKR a hack in the name of shipping.

I'm lucky in that I already enjoyed the now canon pairings, but if, oh, H/Hr happened, though I would be shocked and dismayed at my own inability to see it, I would not call JKR a hack writer, I would not make up insane theories how Hermione must have drugged Harry with a love potion, how Hermione is some sort of slut...

It's just rude, and uncalled for.
I don't even go near shipping fics that don't have pairings I agree with unless they come very highly recommended, because so often I see the characterization changed to fit those pairings... Very odd how dedicated people are to bashing though.
harmonicalesson From: harmonicalesson Date: August 15th, 2005 10:17 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't know how often I read your entries on fandom and exclaim, "Yes, exactly!" but it's a lot. Thank you, yet again. :)
From: mbs_bookworm Date: August 15th, 2005 10:46 pm (UTC) (Link)
Absolutely.
lacontessamala From: lacontessamala Date: August 15th, 2005 11:17 pm (UTC) (Link)
Well said. I get really annoyed when I read fic that turns Tonks into a gender-bending pity lay. And, you know, all the rest of it. What you said.
olympe_maxime From: olympe_maxime Date: August 15th, 2005 11:29 pm (UTC) (Link)
Eh, what's A/O and A/P? Are we still talking HP?
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: August 15th, 2005 11:38 pm (UTC) (Link)
No, it's a pan-fandom rant. Anakin/Obi-Wan and Anakin/Padmé. :)
fallohidepride From: fallohidepride Date: August 16th, 2005 12:49 am (UTC) (Link)
(Stalked you here via Shifts, which I adore, btw.)

Amen. Thank you. I absolutely respect fandom's right to ship non-canon pairings, but you have to at least acknowledge the fact that, oh right, the people who created the characters you love so much have decided that they have different relationships. And that was a needlessly convoluted sentence. In a nutshell: THANK YOU.
58 comments or Leave a comment
Page 1 of 2
[1] [2]