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A post because I haven't posted today, and that can't be allowed again... - The Phantom Librarian
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fernwithy
fernwithy
A post because I haven't posted today, and that can't be allowed again...
I'm a big believer in plot, but I also tend to get stuck at plotty parts of stories, hence my slowness of late with Shades, where I'm setting up an owed favor for a plot point that will occur later in the story and, well... I'm insecure about plotting, so I convince myself that it's going really terribly instead of just, um, uninspired-ly.

I've started working on the 1991 "Of A Sort" section again--Neville's POV on the train, then the majors other than Harry in the Sorting section. I got around my Trevor problem a lot more easily than I thought I would.

So, let's see... something to discuss.

I realized while I was writing the last segment that, despite security being increased a hundred fold at Hogwarts, for the first time, we see a teacher regularly inviting outsiders onto the grounds. It's so odd and out there that I took Slughorn's parties in stride as a quirk, but when I had Tonks having to practically sneak onto the grounds to do some work for Dumbledore, since she didn't belong there (as is pointed out by Harry in the corridor scene), I realized--Gwenog Jones doesn't belong there. The vampire doesn't belong there. None of Slughorn's guests at his parties, other than the current students, of course, belong there.

Just struck me as odd. I wonder what they have to go through to enter the grounds, and if they're somehow magically prohibited from leaving Slughorn's party location.
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heatherhobbit From: heatherhobbit Date: December 5th, 2005 03:28 am (UTC) (Link)
The vampire at Slughorn's party really bothered me. There's no way in a million years he would've been allowed on the school grounds.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: December 5th, 2005 03:42 am (UTC) (Link)
We don't know all that much about vampires in the Potterverse. Maybe he was a good vampire with a soul. ;) ("A vampire with a soul? How lame is that?")
heatherhobbit From: heatherhobbit Date: December 5th, 2005 03:46 am (UTC) (Link)
And all with very little effort on your part, I assure you—ask Sanguini here if it isn't quite—Sanguini, stay here!" added Worple, suddenly stern, for the vampire had been edging toward the nearby group of girls, a rather hungry look in his eye.

Creepy
erised1810 From: erised1810 Date: December 5th, 2005 08:55 pm (UTC) (Link)
The creepiest for me was that the tone of the narrative there suggested the scene was supposed to be funny.
tiferet From: tiferet Date: December 6th, 2005 12:37 am (UTC) (Link)
There are just so many things in that book I found creepy and gross that other people thought funny. I was kind of numb by then, but yes, ew.
erised1810 From: erised1810 Date: December 6th, 2005 08:47 am (UTC) (Link)
I mostly meantthe narrative itself. THe onl ything I foudn funn ywas the name.
Its' a questionno-one ever asked jkr. Wheather some ofthe stuf tha jsut comes off ascrepy whyen yo uthink about it is acutal ydiliberately done like that .Liek rita i nthat jar, or hte hord of centaurs. OR beign sent to azkaban for more than twelve years for acrime yo udidn't commit. There were other thigns to obut I forgot. Some stuff is just very scary. Is that sadism perhaps? IF yo uthink too lognabout it you'd stop likig nthe way her mind works. SO i wonder if she deliberately put insuch dubious stuff or if she just doesnt' notice how some of it comes off.
baseballchica03 From: baseballchica03 Date: December 6th, 2005 03:20 am (UTC) (Link)
That's just begging for a fic... What was he hungry for? ;)

To fernwithy, I definitely agree with your post, though I have no real suggestion. Actually, I hadn't really noticed it before. Thanks for point it out! (Over from daily_snitch, and an occasional lurker.)
soonest_mended From: soonest_mended Date: December 5th, 2005 03:40 am (UTC) (Link)
Do you have any idea how much this DID NOT OCCUR TO ME?! *facepalm* I am going to be the world's suckiest mom.

Well, okay, I thought the vampire bit was sort of dodgy, but you know... I was focused on the normal sorts of things, such as all the... teenage... angst... <.<

Yep. Definitely have no business ever reproducing. ;)
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: December 5th, 2005 03:41 am (UTC) (Link)
Hey, it didn't occur to me until I was writing an Auror hearing about it!
soonest_mended From: soonest_mended Date: December 5th, 2005 03:53 am (UTC) (Link)
Obviously, I am going to have to write Auror fanfiction at an ungodly rate to keep my children alive and undamaged.

Either that or hire you to write child-saving fanfiction. When I'm independantly wealthy beyond all reason. Because we've already determined that ultimate wealth is the answer, right? ;)

Still, think about the possibilities, especially if Slughorn is a nasty sort, or operating under Imperius, or being blackmailed. If he could get a vampire booked for a kids' party, it seems to me the man has connections. Connections that seem a bit farfetched even for a collector of minds and personalities, especially one that's been 'out of the loop' for years and presumably remains at least slightly concerned for his safety. How long did it take him to hook back up with all of those folks? And why would he waste his party invitations on Mr. Sanguini when he could make a smash hit by collecting on all those overdue Christmas hampers? Furthermore, what does a paranoid sort stand to gain by inviting traditionally Dark creatures into his own personal chambers? Stick with Honeydukes, that's what I'd do.

But then, that's the great problem with theorizing about the HP books since GoF, isn't it? Anyone could be anyone, thanks to Polyjuice Potion, and in the next book we could find out that all of the Weasleys are dead and being impersonated by a brilliant three-man Death Eater team led by an escaped Lucius. Tonks is Polyjuiced! Slughorn is Polyjuiced! Snape is Polyjuiced! My brain hurts!

Not to mention the hairy plot complexities associated with Imperius. The mind, it begins to contemplate self-harm. *sigh*
fiatincantatum From: fiatincantatum Date: December 5th, 2005 03:44 am (UTC) (Link)
The Library is the thing that's always puzzled me. Hogwarts is the highest organized form of education in the UK, so the Library must be significant... and it's just for the students?

I always wondered if, perhaps, adults could use the Library facilities somehow.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: December 5th, 2005 03:46 am (UTC) (Link)
Maybe they can owl Madam Pince, and she sends them transcribed pages from the books they need?
a_t_rain From: a_t_rain Date: December 5th, 2005 03:49 am (UTC) (Link)
Huh. I've always taken it for granted that the teachers can invite whomever they like into their own private quarters, it's just mostly invisible to Harry because he hasn't been invited until Slughorn takes an interest in him. They are adults and theoretically trustworthy, and Hogwarts is where they live. It would be pretty outrageous for their employer to prevent them from having guests for ten months out of the year.
threnody From: threnody Date: December 5th, 2005 04:41 am (UTC) (Link)
I never thought about that. Hmm. I suppose it could have been something like the Weasleys had after Christmas holidays- a temporary Floo connection to Hogwarts. Guests could go (only) directly to Slughorn's rooms, and if it was charmed to not let anyone out of the room who shouldn't be (so, only Hogwarts students/staff/ghosts)... it could work. But it's an insanely high risk thing to do.

Maybe it was supposed to tip us off that it's not that hard to sneak someone into Hogwarts who shouldn't ordinarily be there? If it was, it went right over my head. :P
izhilzha From: izhilzha Date: December 5th, 2005 04:57 am (UTC) (Link)
You're making me think the "Slughorn is EVOL" theories--which I didn't buy--may have some basis in fact. O_O
jetamors From: jetamors Date: December 5th, 2005 06:23 am (UTC) (Link)
Simple explanation.

Slughorn: Well, I'm gearing up for my annual Christmas party!

Dumbledore: You crazy? Voldemort is running around! You can't have a party!

Slughorn: Get me my owl.

[Two weeks later...]

Dumbledore: What? The governers convened a special meeting just to approve Slughorn's Christmas party?

Slughorn: *smirk*
ella_menno From: ella_menno Date: December 5th, 2005 02:22 pm (UTC) (Link)
This? Is my new favorite "behind the scenes" moment. *g*
lyras From: lyras Date: December 5th, 2005 11:45 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm ridiculously behind with Shades. In fact, I'm glad you've posted because it's reminded me to go and download the first few chapters - thank you. And I'm really looking forward to the 1991 "Of a Sort"!

Regarding Hogwarts guests, I imagine that they have to go through some kind of security procedure, but then are pretty much left to their own devices and the vigilance of the staff. There are other occasional visitors - Lucius Malfoy, for example, and Crouch/Percy in GoF, whom I presume are not bound in any way beyond the fact that they're probably kept politely entertained by staff members while on Hogwarts premises.
erised1810 From: erised1810 Date: December 5th, 2005 08:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
yay. a plot hole!!
Or jkr didn't think far enough.
Or they wer all Tonks in disguise *gulps*
From: (Anonymous) Date: December 5th, 2005 10:33 pm (UTC) (Link)

from Violet Azure

I just pictured Slughorn getting permission from Dumbledore and that guests had to pass through some sort of security. True, the wizarding world is at war now, so people should be extra-villigent, but in books past important people have visited the castle, like in PoA where Fudge is dining with Dumbledore around the holidays. I suppose that the sort of people invited to Slughorn's party are of the important sort and perhaps they have more securiyt around them in their every day lives. As for the vampire, Sanguinin reminded me a bit of the "noble savage", like Tarzan, who is trotted out at parties like a curiosity; that Sanguini can "behave in public" for the most part.
peachespig From: peachespig Date: December 6th, 2005 12:06 am (UTC) (Link)
A nice point.

Surely Dumbledore knew what he was getting when he sought out Slughorn; the idea that he was a guy who would want to have a social life must have occured to him, and he must have been willing to accomodate that. Guests for a previously arranged party were presumably on some approved list, while Tonks doing work for DD might have wanted to keep her activities quiet.

Although there is a guerrilla war going on, I think we're supposed to draw the conclusion that life hasn't ground to a halt because of it, at least not yet. But it's certainly possible that JKR didn't think too hard about the dangerous climate when she was writing one of her "fun" chapters.
j_lunatic From: j_lunatic Date: December 6th, 2005 03:18 pm (UTC) (Link)
At Slughorn's Christmas party, doesn't Filch bust Draco for lurking outside? It's possible that 1) Slughorn submitted the names of his visitors in advance, and 2) Filch was designated that evening to escort Slughorn's visitors to the party location and check that they didn't wander into other parts of Hogwarts.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: December 6th, 2005 03:46 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh, good catch! That would indicate quite a lot, come to think of it, if even uninvited students are watched carefully.
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