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Random HP thought to end the year on
I'm still in favor of the idea that at some point, JKR has changed her mind, and Harry will end up DADA teacher. She's made him enjoy teaching, has now established that Lupin won't come back, and has worked the DADA position itself into the Voldemort plot. I still think it makes sense and would make me feel good. ;)

However, I had another thought. She always said it would be a classmate we didn't expect who ended up a teacher.

What it it's Malfoy?

I'm not making a prediction, just kind of toying with the idea.

He'd certainly be unexpected, fulfilling that particular requirement. Malfoy has always sort of looked down on Hogwarts and would sneer at a helping profession like teaching. Up until book 6, he was a lot more interested in learning the Dark Arts then in learning to defend against them.

But now, he's had a hard-knock-life lesson in what happens when messing with the Dark Arts, has found out that Dumbledore was as willing to protect him as Harry (and from Harry, no less), and may well be in a position to be rescued by the Order. This could change his priorities quite a lot.

He's had broader education in the Dark Arts themselves than any of the other students, which would put him in a good position to teach Defense.

It would mirror Snape's posting following his recanting. (Whether or not that was real, and of course if it wasn't, that would give us discussion fodder for years... is Professor Malfoy a genuine penitent?)

By giving him lines about how much more important Voldemort's work is than the school, she's given the two ideas enough of a tie that it could be seen as a refutation of Voldemort for him to return to the school, in and of itself--deciding that the school is more important to him.

Anyway, that's my random and uncharacteristic thought for the day.
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fiatincantatum From: fiatincantatum Date: December 31st, 2005 08:30 pm (UTC) (Link)
I think JKR's all too aware of how many people want to see Malfoy redeemed, so he'd be too much "expected" for her to pick him.

I'll put my money on Neville.

When DID she say that a classmate would become a teacher? This is the first I ever heard of such a comment.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: December 31st, 2005 08:33 pm (UTC) (Link)
It's in some interview somewhere. Early on. Hopefully someone else knows the link!

And I'd think Neville'd be pretty expected, as it's stressed how well he does in Herbology and he's got a whole arc about getting better in school.

I've seen Redeemed!Draco theorized as an Auror quite often, but I don't think I've seen anyone write him as a teacher. Then again, I don't read a lot of Dracofic, so maybe there's whole teacher!Draco category at FFN without me knowing about it. ;)
fiatincantatum From: fiatincantatum Date: December 31st, 2005 08:40 pm (UTC) (Link)
Redeemed Draco is too much of a cliche, really, for him to be "unexpected" as anything other than dead. I'm pretty much expecting he'll be dead or otherwise so discredited that he won't be an issue ever again.

I choose to think it's Neville because so many people WANT it to be Draco... hence my belief that he's too "expected" to fit JKR's comment. I've never heard of the interview, but that doesn't mean much *G*
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: December 31st, 2005 08:42 pm (UTC) (Link)
I guess I've just never heard of anyone wanting Redeemed!Draco to end up a teacher. Auror, country gentleman, even prisoner, I think. But I've never seen teacher.

I totally thought redemption was off the board, but after HBP, it looks like that's where she's going.
fiatincantatum From: fiatincantatum Date: December 31st, 2005 08:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
I hope not, I really do. What little interest Malfoy holds is in his opposition to the "good guys". He'd be even more boring as a blond version of Snape.
danel4d From: danel4d Date: January 1st, 2006 08:48 am (UTC) (Link)
To be honest, I'm not sure if Redeemed Draco can really count as a cliche. It has a strong potential to be an interesting tale, and we could do with more of such stories - the problem lies with Magically Good Draco who doesn't even *need* to be redeemed.
bwinter From: bwinter Date: December 31st, 2005 08:55 pm (UTC) (Link)
Just off the top of my head, Mirabella's Shadow of His Wings has Draco as a teacher (Potions and sharing DADA with Harry), and there was another fic that started with Harry apparating into a disused men's loo in the first sentence, and then coming back from exile to help Draco and the new Hogwarts crew clean up the after-effects of the final battle against Voldemort. I'm sure I've read at least two more, both of the Harry/Draco variety, so it's certainly not a completely unexplored subject.

Then again, I think the last person anyone would expect to become a teacher is Ron.
shezan From: shezan Date: December 31st, 2005 09:20 pm (UTC) (Link)
mad_martha has Draco teaching Potions later on, but you're right, unusual suggestion.

Write it! Write it!

*grabs popcorn*
a_t_rain From: a_t_rain Date: December 31st, 2005 09:22 pm (UTC) (Link)
And I'd think Neville'd be pretty expected, as it's stressed how well he does in Herbology and he's got a whole arc about getting better in school.

Interview here. I still think Neville is the most likely choice on the basis of this interview. JKR said "It is not, maybe, the ONE you think" -- which is unlikely to be a reference to anybody other than Hermione. And in any case, Neville as a teacher would have been an out-of-left-field prediction when JKR gave the interview in 1999 -- the theory that he's going to be the Herbology professor is popular because of that interview and because JKR laid the groundwork for it in subsequent books.

By contrast, I don't see much groundwork or foreshadowing for teacher!Draco in the books.
snorkackcatcher From: snorkackcatcher Date: January 1st, 2006 01:43 am (UTC) (Link)
:: agrees with all above points ::

A few extra points:

The interview says "one of Harry's classmates", which presumably means someone in his year (so not say Percy or Luna).

I could believe Draco as Potions Master more than DADA, maybe, as that seems to be his best subject, even given his average performance in HBP (things on his mind, y'know). Although he doesn't seem like the natural teaching type!

An interesting idea would be Neville as DADA teacher -- given that he comes on in leaps and bounds there too at the DA.

The trio are all directly or implicitly ruled out in that interview. Otherwise, apart from Neville, Draco, and maybe Ernie, few of the people in Harry's year get much screentime in an academic context. So it's hard to see it being anyone other than one of those three unless it's a random reference along the lines of "and Terry Boot eventually took over as Arithmancy teacher when Professor Vector retired". Well OK, maybe Parvati or Lavender as Divination teacher. :)
dramaturgy From: dramaturgy Date: December 31st, 2005 08:58 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm pretty much a huge fan of DADA!Harry.
ladyvorkosigan From: ladyvorkosigan Date: December 31st, 2005 09:04 pm (UTC) (Link)
I always liked the idea of Harry as DADA teacher too. But I like your Draco idea and had never thought or heard of it before (it would certainly be unexpected for me). What I'll be interested to see in Book Seven is a bit more of Snape's interactions with Draco - it'd be interesting if he turned him back towards Hogwarts and ultimately the DADA position.
mafdet From: mafdet Date: December 31st, 2005 09:14 pm (UTC) (Link)
That's a very interesting theory! Would Pansy settle for being married to a mere Hogwarts teacher, though? ;)

Personally, I'm hoping that the student(s) who come back to Hogwarts as teachers is Harry, Neville, or both. But you never know.
tree_and_leaf From: tree_and_leaf Date: December 31st, 2005 10:02 pm (UTC) (Link)
It certainly has a pleasant irony!

I actually think Malfoy would be more interesting redeemed - he'd hate the process so much! I'm not sure about how good a teacher he'd be, but he could hardly be worse than Snape (Snape actually reminds me of the sort of academic who sees teaching, as opposed to research, as beneath his dignity).

I've been lurking round here for a while, having been drawn in by 'Shifts' - your stuff is some of the best HP fan-fic I've come across - but I've only just got round to getting a livejournal. Mind if I friend you?
marikenobi From: marikenobi Date: December 31st, 2005 11:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
That would be funny. And a new series of books, of course Draco Malfoy and the annoying Gryffindor class!

Really, couldn't you just imagine him in the future when he has to teach the Weasley offsprings? poor guy

I always said that the one to become a teacher would be Ron, since everyone expected HErmione and or NEville, but this works too.
From: lexie_b Date: January 1st, 2006 12:36 am (UTC) (Link)
I have a feeling it's Neville or Luna on account of them being the only two members of the DA to really stick with it.

Of course, now I'm actually thinking, and maybe Ginny? Not a classmate, though. Hmm.
amihan_811 From: amihan_811 Date: January 1st, 2006 05:15 am (UTC) (Link)

here via snitch

Teacher!Draco is an intriguing idea, one I hadn't considered before. It makes sense though if you think about Hogwarts as a refuge for magical folks with scandalous reputations (Hagrid, Snape, Lupin, Trelawney, etc.) While Headmaster, Dumbledore employed folks who otherwise would have been rejected elsewhere. I think the succeeding Headmaster/Headmistress would most likely follow the same practice, otherwise, Hogwarts would be just like the Ministry and be unrecognizable from what defines it as an institution---a place for growth and second chances. Not a bad place to be stuck in for folks like Draco with tainted reputations. Maybe he ends up teaching flying or even history of magic, since both areas seemed suited to his background.
From: threeoranges Date: January 1st, 2006 09:27 am (UTC) (Link)

Dissenting view

I'm afraid I'm a cynic who thinks JKR is willing to tweak small details of her world for the sole purpose of wrong-footing her readership.

Hands up everyone who honestly and whole-heartedly believes that JKR intended, from the moment she wrote the name "Blaise Zabini" in Book One, for Blaise Zabini to be a Black guy?

Well, quite. It looks to me as if she saw all the fan activity around "Blaise" and thought, "You think you can predict what I'm going to do? Well, YOU'RE WRONG! Have a curveball!" Whoever turns out to be DADA prof is not going to be a crucial detail, so it's my belief that she's going to monitor the prevalent opinion - which predicts Harry, Hermione, Ron, Draco or Neville in the role - and then go for someone completely random like Seamus Finnigan or Hannah Abbott instead.

She just said it would be unguessable. She didn't promise it would make sense...
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: January 1st, 2006 07:12 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Dissenting view

I don't know about black--maybe, maybe not; it doesn't seem to matter, and I expect she didn't have any special physical characteristics for him in mind--but "Blaise" is a guy's name, so yeah--I suspect he was always a guy, and she was a bit surprised that anyone questioned it. I do think that, from other statements she's made, his part in HBP was originally played by Theodore Nott, though.

There's a difference between minor details (like Blaise's appearance) and deliberately introduced plot elements.
From: threeoranges Date: January 1st, 2006 07:27 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Dissenting view

I do think that, from other statements she's made, his part in HBP was originally played by Theodore Nott, though.

Another good point! Either that, or she had something all planned for Nott as "the sympathetic Slytherin" (who could see the Thestral and has therefore suffered, let's not forget) but then decided that his inclusion might make the plot of HBP too interesting. Or something.

There's a difference between minor details (like Blaise's appearance) and deliberately introduced plot elements.

One of Harry's classmates is going to end up as DADA teacher by the end of Book Seven. I don't think this is a deliberately introduced plot element, I'd rate it as a random little detail. How about we wait and see who gets it? If it's Draco, it'll mean something: if it's someone like Zacharias Smith, it'll be a minor detail. Yes? ;)
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: January 1st, 2006 08:02 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Dissenting view

Well, the interview didn't say DADA teacher, and a different position would be a minor detail. But the DADA position itself is now a major detail--a plot point that she's set up as being connected to the defeat of Voldemort, as he cursed it. (I expect that's a new addition, honestly.) It may have been minor once, but the addition of the curse makes it a major point.
From: (Anonymous) Date: January 1st, 2006 09:05 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Dissenting view

(I expect that's a new addition, honestly.)

I agree; she added it as a explanation for the position being "unlucky" without thinking through the history (Quirrell seems to have stayed in the position for longer than one year, according to Percy in PS/SS) or the implications (no scene of Harry realizing that Dumbledore deliberately doomed nice old Remus to "the curse" by having him take up the position).

I also think that even though the position is now officially "cursed", that in itself need not be a major plot point in Book Seven. At the end someone will take up the position in the new reborn Hogwarts, go a year without being killed/injured/raped/having his or her secret life exposed, and prove the curse is over. Great! Can't see that it would be important in the grand scheme of things, though.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: January 1st, 2006 09:34 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Dissenting view

The thing is, I don't think she would have introduced it if she hadn't had a brain wave saying, "Hey, let's tie this DADA thing in somehow."

You seem to be suggesting that this is somehow unplanned because new details pop up and she changes her mind.
From: threeoranges Date: January 3rd, 2006 11:34 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Dissenting view

The thing is, I don't think she would have introduced it if she hadn't had a brain wave saying, "Hey, let's tie this DADA thing in somehow."

But the trouble with the DADA thing is that it doesn't look as if it's going to tie in with the main plot, because as of the end of Book Six we no longer have a Hogwarts. It sounds as if it's just going to be a little detail after the fact of Voldemort's defeat ("We're re-establishing Hogwarts, and this time it doesn't have a cursed DADA position!") It will only be an "important" detail if one of the main characters fills that position, and we have no guarantee that this will happen.

You seem to be suggesting that this is somehow unplanned because new details pop up and she changes her mind.

I think the dramatic metamorphosis of Ginny is a prime example of an author changing their mind part-way through a series ;) Isn't it possible that the "DADA revelation" was just intended to wrap up that whole plot-thread - "and that's why everyone teaching DADA has had bad luck, Ta-daaa!!" - without any implications for Book Seven?
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: January 3rd, 2006 05:47 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Dissenting view

With all the careful build-up of Hogwarts, it looks like she's setting it up to be the central location for book 7 whether or not Harry goes back. She's tied everything to it now, in a way she hasn't before, and with Dumbledore gone (and the oft-repeated statement that it was Dumbledore who kept Voldemort out), it would seem very structurally odd if Hogwarts "didn't exist." It may not be functioning--or it may have its functioning rudely interrupted--but it's clearly the central location of the series.

The change in Ginny's personality strikes me as an authorial mind-changing, but her position as Harry's love interest has been consistent from the beginning... that's obviously been planned. The little personality quirks are a detail like the color of Blaise's skin. "Oh, I know! I'll make her a bit of a brat!"
From: threeoranges Date: January 1st, 2006 09:06 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Dissenting view

That was me, btw ;)
static_pixie From: static_pixie Date: January 2nd, 2006 07:19 am (UTC) (Link)
Completely random little tidbit I thought I'd add, since the idea of Draco as a teacher amuses me and makes an odd sort of sense (I can see him as one of those people who's good with children despite himself, actually). JKR has made him a Gemini and according to this link teaching is pretty much the ideal profession for a Gemini because of...well, basically all abilities associated with the sign. In fact, it pretty much beats you over the head with the idea that "Gemini must be teachers..." ^^

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