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The HP fringeart imitation challenge... yay! - The Phantom Librarian
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The HP fringeart imitation challenge... yay!
So, looking at hp_art_daily, I see that hp_fringeart is having an imitation challenge, where the artists are casting HP situations into famous paintings. (Tagged entries here.)

Can I just say, I love this idea? I wish it was remotely possible to do a writing version, but it's not something that would translate well. You can do something "in the style of," but it's not quite the same--it won't have the same kind of impact on the viewer/reader to cast everything in iambic pentameter, or to write formal sonnets, or do something in the style of Faulkner or Hemingway, because you can't really turn around and then show the original so you can see how the interesting HP elements have been highlighted. It would just look like copying because words are what we use, and lifting large segments of words isn't an exercise that you use to bring in fresh and neat elements.

But for art, it's just neat. HP in the style of Guernica... I like it. I love illustrative art, but it's interesting to see some really wildly different new ways of doing it. (Sometimes this doesn't work for me; I loathed the non-standard illos in Wizard and Glass--nudity warning in link--but I'm all for making the attempt.)

Of course, it's hard to do really abstract fan art. (I got talking about this in SW once, and someone winked and made an "illo" of R2 and 3P0 which was a blue dot and a yellow stripe.) You can express an emotion with colors, but it's hard to argue that it's specifically showing the burial of Aragog, you know? Then again, I don't have a good grasp on a lot of modern art, and don't know the language of it, so maybe I'm missing something, and it's possible to have large blotches of color express something that specific, if you're in the know. ;)

But trying things that are different and using actual knowledge of art history... writers need to know more about writing history. Why don't we spend some time writing in these classical forms, at least? (This can be fairly horrible; I've done some formal poetry in the SW universe for practice, and they're wince-worthy, but I did get a handle on the forms, at least.) Writing is an art. Why don't we have as much formal exposure as visual artists or musicians?

Well, that ended up in a different place than it started. I think I'll go write a sonnet now.

Have any of the fringe artists done Dalí yet, and just not tagged it? :P
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tunxeh From: tunxeh Date: January 3rd, 2006 05:30 am (UTC) (Link)
I've been seeing a lot of these, too, and loving them. But somehow I missed the Guernica one; thanks for the link.
story645 From: story645 Date: January 3rd, 2006 05:32 am (UTC) (Link)
Dali: Not yet, though I'm sure someone will.

I'm so tempted to join in. This is such a great challenge for newbie artists not yet comfortable with our own imaginations, cause we get good parameters to play in.

Um was at the Guggenheim yesterday for it's Russia show. Remembered again why conceptualist art bugs me. It's all projective, like looking at a Rorshach blot, and while I get that the point of art is to get the viewer to walk away with an insight into something, it just feels a little too viewer centered.

I say something much clearer on modern art
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Dali: Not yet, though I'm sure someone will.

I'm so tempted to join in. This is such a great challenge for newbie artists not yet comfortable with our own imaginations, cause we get good parameters to play in.

Um was at the Guggenheim yesterday for it's Russia show. Remembered again why conceptualist art bugs me. It's all projective, like looking at a Rorshach blot, and while I get that the point of art is to get the viewer to walk away with an insight into something, it just feels a little too viewer centered.

I say something much clearer on modern art <a href-http://www.livejournal.com/users/story645/16602.html>here</a> (2nd para)

And I've seen reworkings actually, like two R/Hr versions of Gift of The Magi, one done very well, the other not so much. It can actually make for great fic it a lot of thougt is put into it.
story645 From: story645 Date: January 3rd, 2006 05:33 am (UTC) (Link)
http://www.livejournal.com/users/story645/16602.html

No fair that you can edit for bad tags and I can't ;)
shezan From: shezan Date: January 3rd, 2006 05:49 am (UTC) (Link)
Guernica-Potterca! The LOVE!!!
ani_bester From: ani_bester Date: January 3rd, 2006 05:59 am (UTC) (Link)
Aren't the lovely! I had so much fun with the daily update this weekend. Thost "imitations" are amazing.

Also, you didn't like the Wizard and Glass art? I found them fascinating and *L* I almost have done HP fanart in that style once or twice but I always chicken out because I just don't want to go through that composition hell.

I preferred the non standered illos in Song of Sussanah though.

As far as modern art goes, see it would be very easy to do a modern HP peice because the narrative style of art has come back into fasion and I did several modern peices using hp illos, though in those cases, I was not actually illustrating themes from the but using things drawn based on the book and working them into art about current pop culture. *shrugs*

As fas as getting blobs of color to be narrative, I don't think that would work in so much of a lot of the philosophy behind those styles tended to be anti-narrative and IMHO, very meta.

Or, very wrapped up in connecting with the artist in a way that telling a story outside of the artist would be against that style. I think, for instance, an abstract expressionist Harry Potter illustration is impossible in terms of what abstract expressionism was suppossed to be. You can adapt that style certainly, and illustration is excellent at using modern art styles in creative ways, but it's not always with the same philosophy behind it. Kinda like I used HP stuff as pop art but it was often more social criticism (or art criticism actually) than a flat out narrative oh Harry Potter.

Though I adored the German expressionism style someone used. That came out brillantly IMHO. Those styles are very usable.

I'd love to see some old style writing, but maybe it's harder because IMHO, some difference in writing eras are more subtle than some of the art movements, and for instance, I think it's easy to adapt a surreal art style into HP narrative (but then it's no longer truely surrealism) but much harder to use a surreal writing style to tell an HP story because the act of writing a coherent hp story would kinda be outside of surrealism that sama way you can't exactly writ a DADA Hp poem and have it be aobut Harry Potter.

You could do Hemmingway style though. ^__^

I don't those are jsut my thoughts anyhow.



fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: January 3rd, 2006 06:26 am (UTC) (Link)
I liked the SoS ones (though I admit, my favorite was the perfectly normative Ned Dameron Waste Lands art). The W&G just plain old didn't do anything for me, though it certainly did catch the eye. It was definitely different.

I think it's easy to adapt a surreal art style into HP narrative

True. Though I think one of Harry's dream sequences where people change into one another would be a good subject for that sort of thing (the one in PS/SS where Malfoy becomes Snape becomes Voldemort, or the one in HBP where Malfoy becomes Slughorn becomes Snape). You could see the people opening up into an endless succession.

As fas as getting blobs of color to be narrative, I don't think that would work in so much of a lot of the philosophy behind those styles tended to be anti-narrative and IMHO, very meta.</>

I don't know a lot about the movement, though I've gotten to the point where I can say I like some and dislike others instead of just saying, "Duh... what's that supposed to be?" And can find some stupid without feeling like I'm just not getting it. (Once at my undergrad school, someone put up two cans of soup, labelled "Hunger"--or something like that--and called it art. Someone else put in a wasps' nest, crediting himself rather than the wasps. I don't feel bad rolling my eyes at that.) I wish I'd taken art history instead of getting it on a catch-as-catch-can basis, but for reasons I no longer remember, I didn't.

I liked that German Expressionism piece as well. It's just... neat.

I found a page that will link me around various types of formal poetry, and am trying a Petrarchan sonnet for the first time since high school. Rhyme is frightening. :p
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fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: January 3rd, 2006 06:16 am (UTC) (Link)
I haven't seen any, but I'm willing to bet we'll see the Time Turner room in the Department of Mysteries depicted as his Melting Clocks*

What, not the "Metamorphosis of Narcissa"? ;P
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story645 From: story645 Date: January 3rd, 2006 06:17 am (UTC) (Link)
There are a bunch though, so you can always say you were non specific so as to not limit whoever might see your comment and be inspired by it. Or something.
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story645 From: story645 Date: January 3rd, 2006 06:32 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: this is only tangentally related to the idea of being "inspired" by my comment

That'd be cool, and truth be told there are variations possible. At least that happened to me, I did something loosly bqsed on a painting and someone else took a much more literal approach. That's the other thing, people can think of using the same painting anyway. I've got one in mind that sort of makes me wish we can claim cause there's just such an obvious approach to it, but part of the reason I want to do this one is that I used to pass it almost everyday.
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fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: January 3rd, 2006 06:41 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: this is only tangentally related to the idea of being "inspired" by my comment

I'm still waiting to see how someone does Duchamp's "Fountain", though

It will have to involve Moaning Myrtle, if it's the piece I think it is. ;)
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story645 From: story645 Date: January 3rd, 2006 06:46 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: this is only tangentally related to the idea of being "inspired" by my comment

Just googled that one, me too. Though I'm not sure if I can see someone using it.

I just like this challenge cause I don't do fan art, at least nothing I'd post, but this one gives me a clear framework style, line and composition to use, so it's just a nice way for me to take baby steps into the fandom art world.
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fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: January 3rd, 2006 06:30 am (UTC) (Link)
I have no idea what that painting is actually called.

Something "Memory." The Persistance of Memory, maybe?
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leelastarsky From: leelastarsky Date: January 3rd, 2006 01:22 pm (UTC) (Link)
It's a wonderful challenge, isn't it?! I joined the comm just to play; it was irrisitable!
sreya From: sreya Date: January 3rd, 2006 05:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
But isn't this what crossovers, or at least the really good crossovers, are? Taking characters from one story and putting them into another where they must then conform to a different universe's rules and forms and, in particular, voice. I think we generally don't notice it because most of what gets crossed over uses the same "voice" or close enough that we don't really notice. But when I was playing around with my SW/HP crossover, I found that adopting JKR's narrative voice and putting it into the GFFA was a real challenge - to the point where I cheated and the first chapter was mostly a cut and paste of SS's first chapter with names and words changed a bit. The third chapter, the last one I did before giving it up, started taking on a bit more creativity while still using the voice, and it was pretty difficult.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: January 3rd, 2006 06:53 pm (UTC) (Link)
Hmmm, interesting. It's not exactly the same, but it's a good analogy. Mr. P and I made it all the way through Fellowship of the Ring with our LotR/SW crossover, but both of them are highly formalistic fantasy worlds with similar concerns and powers, so it's not that difficult to mix them once you get the device.
erised1810 From: erised1810 Date: January 3rd, 2006 08:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
I see *Triesto count..looses count* too many coutner, responce adn other essays-tying-in-with-this-thread boilign up in my head. For one thign I joined the hp_classic challenge two years ago (was it two years ago? wel li stayed onthe comm fora time to do some monthly ones too) and I was mostly putting either characters of somethgn into hp or casting hp character assomethign else (i'm nut sure but I believ itwas also allowed to do somethign inspired by art or poetry). And now I'll stop before i opena can of semantic worms about thedefinition of crossovers or...or do something very incoherent about what fits more seamlessly: crossing hp with art or with other narratives.
sannalim From: sannalim Date: January 3rd, 2006 08:40 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh, what fun! And my mom and dad gave me paints for Christmas! I'll have to see if I can find something to do for this after I get back to Madison.
toastedcheese From: toastedcheese Date: January 3rd, 2006 09:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
Have you seen Red Scharlach's HP modern art parodies? They're mostly silly, but very entertaining.

I imagine abstract fan art could represent concepts or themes, rather than scenes - Good, Evil, Ministry bureaucracy, Weasley-ness, Magic, even a series portraying the Hogwarts Houses.

Someone needs to do a parody of Duchamp's Nude Descending a Staircase featuring our favorite bouncing ferret. :)
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