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Memey memes, vs not-memey memes - The Phantom Librarian
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Memey memes, vs not-memey memes
Just my observation for the day about memes:

The ones that actually get passed around and generate replies are ones that ask readers to do something that will then tell them something about themselves--take a quiz, think out your political views, be nostalgic about things you've experienced, compare yourself to the person you're gakking from on one or more of the above.

Memes are a social thing, by their very nature, and ones like the two I did last night don't have any "in"--what do you say to a list of quotes from fics you haven't read? Answer: Nada. I didn't answer it on kaluptein's, either; I just snagged it because I thought it might be fun for me to go and find one quote that would suffice as a teaser for each of my fics. There's no real reply to be made to this, and it's not really something snaggable for someone with a few minutes to kill. (An hour and a half to kill, yes; a few minutes, no.) Beyond that, what does response to my fics tell a meme-taker about him- or herself, particularly when all I provide is an unnamed link? How does that generate discussion? Furthermore, everyone has a different number of fics, the answers will be entirely different, and there's no real way to say, "Oh, well, Fern said this, and I say this, and kalputein said this... wow, we have a lot in common/I never knew we had such different approaches!" Heck, I didn't even have an offer like, "Guess which fic this quote is from!"

So, short version:

Good meme: Interactive and able to generate comparable answers for each person who snags.

Bad meme: Random list that asks for no action from readers.

What think ye?

I feel a bit...: productive productive

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persephone_kore From: persephone_kore Date: April 27th, 2004 08:01 am (UTC) (Link)
Probably true in terms of being successful as a meme, but on the other hand, I tend to shy away from the "Ask me Questions!" meme (for example) largely because it seems so much more demanding. Of course, I'm still not finished with the DVD-commentary one... lazy PK.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: April 27th, 2004 09:48 am (UTC) (Link)
I've tended to avoid the "ask me any three questions" one as well. That's, er, a little too interactive. On the other hand "Ask me three questions about my fics/about SW/about whatever" is a little different--it focuses on the interests we share pretty much in order to be on one another's F-lists. Seems like a more natural way to talk.
ladyelaine From: ladyelaine Date: April 27th, 2004 08:13 am (UTC) (Link)
I do memes because they're fun, or because I'm bored (or, more often, both). I prefer memes that let me express myself, over ones that say "You're a Unicorn!" or some such; but I'll still do the "You're a Unicorn!" ones just to see what I get. However, I didn't do the recent "Make up a memory about me" one, because that just got too close to RPF for my taste. Ick.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: April 27th, 2004 09:50 am (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, I don't know what to think about that one. In some ways, it's not too different from the meme about "How do you see me?"--mostly trying to find out what other people are imagining--but actually creating a story about me? It would be odd. And I found myself complete unable to answer it for anyone else, as well.
jiminyc From: jiminyc Date: April 27th, 2004 08:40 am (UTC) (Link)
I think that both kinds of memes can be pretty cool. While I agree that I like the 'interactive' memes better, the second type can serve a dual purpose for the overly curious minded. To use the fanfic quotes meme as an example...I'm sure it was an interesting exercise for you to go through your stories and pick those quotes out as representatives AND it was fun for me to read through them to see the quotes you chose, while thinking about what quotes I might have pulled from those same stories. You're right that there's not really an 'IN' to jumpstart a conversation...but I think they can be an interesting way to find out more about each other.

As an aside, I REALLY like saying "Memey-memes vs Non-memey memes" aloud. :)
alphabet26 From: alphabet26 Date: April 27th, 2004 10:53 am (UTC) (Link)
Well, I wouldn't classify the random list as a bad meme--I went through and read a couple of your stories that I hadn't before, although I didn't review them last night. There's a reason for that, though: it was 1:30 a.m. and I'm rarely coherent when I'm fully awake--you don't want me writing reviews when I'm tired. But I plan on reviewing later. And the meme was interesting, even if I couldn't really reply to it.

Although I guess you should note the user pic--I love getting comments. ;)
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: April 27th, 2004 12:28 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh, I misspoke. It's not a bad meme and I had fun with it. But it's not good for interaction.

And hey, if the sales pitch worked, that's always a good thing. ;p (:is curious about which quotes made you click:)
kaluptein From: kaluptein Date: April 27th, 2004 01:20 pm (UTC) (Link)
Hmm. I'd say a good meme is one you enjoy filling out and a bad meme is one you don't. *shrug* But, hey, I personally don't post memes to generate comments-- I only ever bother posting ones I felt like filling out when very bored ;).

I do hate the ones that depend on one's flist (ask me three questions, and so on). I'm just not up to replying to a 140+ friends every time one of these memes pop up-- and I won't participate in just certain journals because then I'll feel guilty ^^.


Calypso, whose name is not kaluptein
erised1810 From: erised1810 Date: April 27th, 2004 03:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
Heh. I tend to fill in memes when the ycatch my interest. if I dont' answer one it's moslty oen too close for me or it has to do with sometihgn I"m not familiar enough to do (lie kbodl the movies you've seen or the books you've read. adn I hated those enoguh for finign outthat I coudl cound the ones I recognized on my two hands.0
if yo udid that fic memme I'l lsurely see which quotes cahc my interest. I sometims answer in someone' lj and then dont' post it myself .which is abit dumb perhaps but I cant' find areason for it.
I hardly post quizila results anymore. and the "whattree are you" are jsut far beyind me. also the memegen-ones either catch my itnerest inafun way or not. some endu pwith annoyign results that mosty have t odo with sex. (yo udont' believ how many tiems this months I've been sleepign wiht some unattractie c haracter or did somethign sut because I was addicted to sex or a fill-in-namecalling).
I guess its' atadd bit strange if one plans to pust jsuta meme just in orderto get comments. I'm feeling Lj is more for conversational ways lie yo ushare yoru thoguths and ask what others think. or you do a nostalgic meme and liekto now whether other remember the same things.
and these logn survesy owf what do yo uthnk of me rremidn me too much of the social lessons in m yschoo ldays that jsut agitated the crap otu of me with all the forms to fill intto critique others.
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