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Love Lev - The Phantom Librarian
Spewing out too many words since November 2003
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So I linked over to Lev Grossman's great tribute to fanfic! Go, Lev Grossman! (The only major problem with it was citing Lori Jareo as a hero--she broke the cardinal rule of fanfic. Of course, he also neglected to mention that the internet didn't invent fanfic, but I'm not going to quibble.) Mass culture is our folklore. We play with it just like humans have always played with it. And good observation about March. Also, thanks for the rec; I'm now going to read it. Maybe I should move into public domain fanfic. Seems like a good niche. Someone beat me to Alcott, and I know I've seen Twainfic on the shelves. Of course, that's no reason not to write more Twainfic. (The Alcottfic is too new.) A better reason is that I really don't know much about life on the Mississippi that I didn't learn from Twain himself. I read parts a terrifying Secret Garden sequel (three or four random chapters while repairing it and no desire to go back when the glue dried) that involved Mary marrying Colin but having a baby with Dickon because Colin was gay and they all wanted Archibald to have a grandchild. Or something.

Heh, who am I kidding?

I think it's time to stop random posting and get Tonks's and Remus's plots braided back together, and celebrate a depressing Christmas season in Hogsmeade. :p
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lilacsigil From: lilacsigil Date: April 30th, 2006 10:03 am (UTC) (Link)
...I looked this book up on Amazon. I think I broke my brain.

Geraldine Brooks is a terrific (Australian) writer, though, with a great sense of place. Her book I will read.
greyathena From: greyathena Date: April 30th, 2006 01:43 pm (UTC) (Link)
oh God, I read that Secret Garden "sequel" too. And Colin wasn't just gay - he was a "homosexualist" and I believe Mary saw him with one of his schoolfriends out by the lake or something. Gah.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: April 30th, 2006 03:44 pm (UTC) (Link)
Like I said, I basically scanned some chapters while fixing it; I missed that. Sigh. And that was before I had a lot of contact with the fanfic world--I thought it was annoying long before I thought it would end up on deleterius. I mean, obviously it's the relationship among the three of them that a story would have to focus on, but does have to be so damned soap operatic?
greyathena From: greyathena Date: May 1st, 2006 12:55 pm (UTC) (Link)
Seriously. I would think someone would finally just say, "You know what, it's 1925. People aren't marrying their first cousins quite so often anymore. Let's find Colin a nice earl's daughter from Kent and have done with it." But no.
polly_locket From: polly_locket Date: April 30th, 2006 03:45 pm (UTC) (Link)
Thanks for the link -- what a lovely tribute! I do think the point that Lori broke the cardinal rule an important one, though -- I think that's the difference between plagiarism and homage. Ms. $500,000-package!Viswanathan did it for the money, and Ms. Jareo may have done it for the love (with money a hopeful bonus), but they really look the same in the public's eyes. And speaking of making money, I wonder why in HPdom no one auctions off drabble snippits but everyone thinks it's perfectly OK to pay $30 for some random doodle of Hawtbuttsexx!11!1 between Harry & Snape? Fan fic and fan art may be different mediums, but put it up for sale and copyright law is copyright law is copyright law.

Even public domain published fic bothers me a bit -- I love Pride and Prejudice but avoid all those sequels. (Then again, I don't mind Bridget Jone's Diary, so I guess I'm a hypocrite? :) But if anyone could write good Twainfic, it'd be you, Fern; I still love that random Huck/Hermione bit you wrote ages ago. Just as long as you don't ship Huck/Jim. ;)

And speaking of your excellent writing, yes please do hurry on Shades! I caught up to chapter 22 last night and on edge considering poor Father Montgomery. Maybe after Bill gets savaged by Greyback he and Fleur can open up their home to Sweet and Evvie and the others? Would that be channeling "After the End" too much?
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: April 30th, 2006 05:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
Just as long as you don't ship Huck/Jim. ;)

Shoot, you just ruined my whole interracial pedophiliac buttsex plot. :p

And speaking of making money, I wonder why in HPdom no one auctions off drabble snippits but everyone thinks it's perfectly OK to pay $30 for some random doodle of Hawtbuttsexx!11!1 between Harry & Snape? Fan fic and fan art may be different mediums, but put it up for sale and copyright law is copyright law is copyright law.

It's becoming more and more common. I think it's based on the idea that a black haired wizard with a scar might not necessarily be Harry Potter in a visual medium (even though everyone knows he is), but fanfic, which names names, has no such "out." Even five or six years ago, it wasn't particularly usual; now it's just the way things are done. So far, no one's cried "foul" that I know of.
lareinenoire From: lareinenoire Date: April 30th, 2006 04:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh God, I read that Secret Garden sequel, and I'd blocked it from my memory until you mentioned it. Ouch.
rikibeth From: rikibeth Date: April 30th, 2006 05:57 pm (UTC) (Link)
I went to elementary school with him. We were both in orchestra together.
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fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: April 30th, 2006 08:05 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oo, that looks interesting!

Maybe I should do Friar Lawrence's view on Romeo and Juliet.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: April 30th, 2006 08:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
And oh, shit. I just thought of the title and the angle.

Like I don't have enough to do during summer reading without researching the politics of Renaissance Italy.
sreya From: sreya Date: April 30th, 2006 10:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh, you may not feel like you have the time, but do run with it! I know one of your gripes about trying to write something publishable in the past has been that you can't get interested enough to finish what you're writing, so if this one has caught your interest, grab on and go for the ride!
From: (Anonymous) Date: May 1st, 2006 12:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
I LOVE your idea. DO IT DO IT DO IT. *grins mischievously and nudges Fernwithy closer to the plot bunny* Seriously, that would be a really interesting perspective. Would you do it in the original play format, or go for the novel form?

Ming
singingtopsy From: singingtopsy Date: April 30th, 2006 08:02 pm (UTC) (Link)
Only this year I discovered the multitude of Pride and Prejudice sequels. I didn't know you could DO that. And now I wish they HADN'T.
rj_anderson From: rj_anderson Date: May 1st, 2006 01:09 am (UTC) (Link)
I made the mistake of taking that Secret Garden "sequel" out from the library, and while I skimmed over large chunks of the second half of the book, still after I was done I wanted to gouge both my eyes out, pour bleach into the sockets and beg for those two hours back. Horrible. I have no idea what the author was thinking, or why she didn't just write an original novel with that plot if she really felt the need, instead of tacking it onto The Secret Garden in such a bizarre and wildly incongrous manner.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: May 1st, 2006 01:48 am (UTC) (Link)
I can actually see doing a story that focused on the odd Colin-Mary-Dickon dynamic as they grow up. But the book asks for some subtlety, and while, yes, in other stories, gardens have been sexual symbols (it certainly seems to have been one for Colin's parents), in the case of this story, it's about discovery of generosity and goodness. That's not the opposite of sex by any means, but that's like saying that pine trees aren't the opposite of swimming pools.

If I were going to do it with a romantic theme, I think I'd hit Mary/Dickon, and their social difference issues, with Colin, as lord of the manor, having to make some decisions about the social milieu of Edwardian England... not setting up a sham society marriage to cover for something. That just cheapens all three of them. I mean, part of their initial journey dealt with being honest.
rj_anderson From: rj_anderson Date: May 1st, 2006 01:55 am (UTC) (Link)
That just cheapens all three of them. I mean, part of their initial journey dealt with being honest.

Exactly. But Mary in particular was portrayed in the novel as being so incredibly vain and stupid and generally unlikeable that it was hard to care about anything that happened to her.

Bah. Badfic is one thing, but bad profic is particularly awful.
hermia7 From: hermia7 Date: May 1st, 2006 03:27 pm (UTC) (Link)
(I'm sorry, all my brilliant comments on this thread went out the window with a loud HA!! when I saw your icon. Heee!)
rj_anderson From: rj_anderson Date: May 1st, 2006 03:31 pm (UTC) (Link)
*grins*

Glad you liked it!
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