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Chamber of Secrets Poll
So, I'm toying with a few ideas at the moment, none of which will probably be used, but one of which included Dumbledore visiting the CoS during the HBP year. It occurred to me that it was maybe not a good idea, because it's quite possible that in book 7, we'll hear about the Chamber again, and find out exactly what's in there all the time (other than a big dead basilisk). Then I thought, nah, probably not. Then, Maybe.

So, I'm wondering... what do people think the likelihood is of the Chamber appearing in book 7?

Poll #818057 Chamber of Secrets

Will we see the Chamber of Secrets in book 7?

Yes--and really prominently.
38(16.5%)
Yes, but just in passing.
63(27.3%)
Probably not; its job is done.
120(51.9%)
No--there's no reason to re-use a setting.
8(3.5%)
Definitely not--book 7 won't take us back to Hogwarts.
2(0.9%)
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snorkackcatcher From: snorkackcatcher Date: September 10th, 2006 10:49 pm (UTC) (Link)
There doesn't seem much reason to bring the Chamber back in book 7 unless it's supposed to contain something vital to finding a Horcrux -- it's certainly possible that it would come back into play because of that, but (as you'll see) I placed my bet here on it not being important, as Tom left the early Horcrux in the Gaunt cottage?

How would DD actually get into the Chamber during HBP, btw, without asking Harry to Parseltongue his way past the entrances in Myrtle's bathroom and the Chamber itself?
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: September 10th, 2006 10:51 pm (UTC) (Link)
Conjure a snake? ;P

That's a very good question.
snorkackcatcher From: snorkackcatcher Date: September 11th, 2006 12:02 am (UTC) (Link)
Then again, he seemed to know what was being said in Parseltongue during the Bob Ogden memory, so maybe he knows another Parselmouth or some really funky translation spell. (Although I get the impression that Parseltongue isn't so much a 'language' as such -- and therefore potentially learnable like Mermish -- more the simple raw ability to understand and be understood by snakes, something you either have or you haven't got.)
dudley_doright From: dudley_doright Date: September 10th, 2006 10:55 pm (UTC) (Link)
When Tom was at school, it was a place just for him. I'm *sure* he did more than befriend horrible monsters down there.

On the other hand, I would love to see your depiction of the place, so feel free to ignore everything I just said =)
author_by_night From: author_by_night Date: September 10th, 2006 11:45 pm (UTC) (Link)
When Tom was at school, it was a place just for him. I'm *sure* he did more than befriend horrible monsters down there.

That gave me the best mental image - Riddle and the Basilisk chatting up a storm on a bench, Riddle handing the Basilisk a cupcake.
dalf From: dalf Date: September 10th, 2006 11:13 pm (UTC) (Link)
If you do send him in there you will have to sort out a bealivable way for him to get in not being a parselmouth and all.
dalf From: dalf Date: September 10th, 2006 11:40 pm (UTC) (Link)
I voted probably not, however I am a little shaky on this because here is what I think will happen in book 7:

* Harry will nto return to Hogwarts.
* JKR will NOT change the formulation of the trio, so Ginny WILL return to Hogwrts. The in story rational for this will be:
A) Her age, family etc.
B) Harry is personally safer this way, if she follow him into danger he will not spend the proper time looking out for his own wellbeing. Having her present (And to a lesser but unavioadable degree Ron and Hermione) is a huge advantage to anyone duleing Harry.
* Voldemort will eventually attack Hogwarts, Ginny being there where Harry thinks she is safe will (among other things) make this especially horrifying for him.

Given that Voldemort has to get into Hogwarts some how. There is a chance that the the chamber was originally set up with a back door or that Tom added one when he had access to it. This is not unprecident as the mauraders found 2 secret passages that were not generally known by the staff.

As such, if the chamber features in the book I think it will be as a vector of attack on the school.
From: (Anonymous) Date: September 11th, 2006 08:46 am (UTC) (Link)
I do not think there is any kind of back door into the Chamber or Draco would not have needed to spend most of his sixth year sweating how to get Death Eaters into the school.

I also think Ginny has proven that she is of her own mind her family's or Harry's wishes be damn. I think she may work on Harry at the wedding but either way I think she will aid in finding Horcruxes

As for Fern doing something with Dumbledore in the Chamber maybe the Room of Requirement can be used? Or maybe a translation spell as some posted earlier.

Katsulas
dalf From: dalf Date: September 11th, 2006 09:04 am (UTC) (Link)
* You probbly have a point on the first one. Though there is the "the only one he ever feared" asepct. Voldemort is in truth a coward, and with dumbledore in the school I coudl imagien him sending others and if there is a back door then he is alomst surly the only one who cna open it. Though I suspect you are right.

* If Ginny goes with them then JKR is a much worse author than we have all been lead to believe. It amazes me how the H/G shippers should do so well with seeing the obvious then totally lose their sanaty after book 6. JKR has established a dynamic, she has established the Characterrs in their Roles. Ginnys role is not to fight allong side Harry. That is not what her charactere does in the story. She will be in book 7, and so will Hogwarts but it will be because voldemort or the horcrux quest brings Harry back there. I think Remus might be some how involved with the trio's quest just because JKR said that he would "play a major role in book 7", and he is the only adult left who can be not just mentor but also friend in such a way that Harry wont depend on him to "make it beter". Even that wont be enough to change the dynamic, and I don't see him tagging along for lots of page time.

* I imagine to do a translation spell you woudl need someoen who knew the language. I always imagined a charm to make you understand ro speak french for example woudl have to be cast on you by someone who could. Not to say that it would not make sense, and I like it better than conjuring a Snake and them imperiousing it to make it talk (as if you could make it say somethign that you don't know who to say, how would you explain?)
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fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: September 11th, 2006 11:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
I suspect she'll have a large role, but something entirely different--unlike Hermione, Ginny really does have the "The Girl" role. If they re-open the school and the Trio doesn't go back, Ginny probably will be there... right in the middle of a great big bullseye for Voldemort.
dalf From: dalf Date: September 12th, 2006 01:51 am (UTC) (Link)
Well perhaps I was speaking too generally. I too did not lose my mind at the end of HBP. It just seems that those of us that did not are few and far between. I read a nice one shot (might have even been fern who wrot it I will ahve to dig it up) after HBP about the train ride back and at the station. It is one of like 3 or 4 thatI have seen that got both Harry and Ginnys perspectives of 'the break up' right as well as the plot significance.

I think Ginny will ahve a significant role in book 7, just not that much page time (though perhaps mroe than she has seen in the previous books, Im not sure really).
author_by_night From: author_by_night Date: September 10th, 2006 11:14 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm not sure - it's certainly plausible a Horcrux is there, come to think of it... hm.
tunxeh From: tunxeh Date: September 11th, 2006 04:54 am (UTC) (Link)
I tend to think that Voldemort would not have hidden another horcrux there, but somewhere else in Hogwarts — that one is too closely associated with the diary horcrux. But it seems like a place that the trio should at least think about in their search for horcruxes, so I voted for "mentioned in passing".
liriop From: liriop Date: September 11th, 2006 12:07 am (UTC) (Link)
I voted for yes, rather prominently, because it is the best place for Voldemort to have hidden a Horcrux.
Why was Voldemort so interested in Hogwarts?
And the Chamber could only be opened by a parseltongue (and he thought he was the only Parseltongue to be in Hogwarts since Slytherin), was guarded by a basilisk and no one knew it. Of course, Harry being a Parseltongue, finding the chamber's entrance and killing the basilisk changed things and now it's not a safe place for a Horcrux anymore. So Voldemort might try to get his Horcrux back. Perhaps it was even one of the reasons for him to want Dumbledore dead.
cheddartrek From: cheddartrek Date: September 11th, 2006 12:59 am (UTC) (Link)

The Chamber of Secrets

Personally I think that the Chamber will have a role in Book 7. I voted that it would be prominent, but only because I couldn't decide between that and "just in passing."

It would just seem like a waste to me to not go back and use such a great location. It was hidden by Slytherin, Voldemort is his heir, and the bloody thing can't be opened by anyone but a parseltongue.

Also, keep in mind that Diary!Riddle led Ginny down there and seemed to be comfortable with the surroundings. He was probably down there a good bit when he was at Hogwarts, maybe it was somewhere he could play with Dark Magic without tipping Albus off.

All that is speculation of course, but it just seems like there are loads of possibilities. I can't think of very many major settings that haven't been reused. The Dursleys, Hogwarts, the Ministry, the Forest, Diagon Alley, Knockturn Alley, Hogsmeade, etc. The Chamber hasn't been reused, but those other places we've seen more than once. The only ones I can think of that we haven't seen again are the area where the Sorceror's stone was hidden and the Graveyard; and to me both of those fully realized their potential as settings, unlike the chamber.

I know, I know, I rambled a LOT. Sorry. I won't do it again, but I just started typing and couldn't stop, like I'm doing right now... *shuts up*
gentlespirit From: gentlespirit Date: September 11th, 2006 01:43 am (UTC) (Link)
I am not entirely coninced that we will SEE it again, but I think things from/about it will certainly be important.
From: (Anonymous) Date: September 11th, 2006 02:34 am (UTC) (Link)
The Chamber is a great location and there's a lot about the Founders that we don't know that maybe we should (like why two started as friends and then had an angry split). The Chamber might be a very logical place to hide secrets about this sort of thing.

On the other hand, that doesn't mean it will show up or that the secrets are hidden there. There seem to be an awful lot of things hidden in the Room of Requirement, for example.

As to how Dumbledore could get in, he has a phoenix that carried four people out. I imagine it can carry one Headmaster in.

Also, he's the Headmaster. Hogwarts may not keep any doors closed to him if he knows where they are and asks for them to open.

Ellen
aeterna13 From: aeterna13 Date: September 11th, 2006 02:58 am (UTC) (Link)
I like the idea of a Horcrux being hidden in the CoS. It seems quite plausible actually. And even if there wasn't one there, I could certainly see Hermione working out the logic and figuring that the CoS would be a perfect place for Voldemort to hide one of them, which would then connect with the pensieve memory of Voldemort asking for a position at Hogwarts (which must have been a ruse for something). It would be a good plot device to bring the trio back to Hogwarts (you know, angsty meeting between Harry and Ginny, getting in touch with people in the DA, etc. etc.) and it just makes sense.

Oooh! And wouldn't it just be one more touch of irony that by trying to kill Harry, Voldemort made it possible for that horcrux to be found by transferring his gift of Parseltongue to Harry? Gives even more meaning to 'marking him as his equal', doesn't it?
lady_moriel From: lady_moriel Date: September 11th, 2006 03:25 am (UTC) (Link)
I figured its role is done since we really haven't heard much about it since Book 2, but it would be fun to see it reappear. As for getting in--well, Harry would've had no reason to close it back up again in CoS, so it's probably still sitting open. It's an easy solution, anyway.
tree_and_leaf From: tree_and_leaf Date: September 11th, 2006 08:56 am (UTC) (Link)
I think the Chamber will feature, though not prominently - JKR has talked a lot about how significant COS is in plot terms (which primarily apples to the diary, but still...) And personally, I wouldn't be at all surprised if the trio do end up back at Hogwarts, at least for part of the year. I think Harry is imagining going off to do things as easier than it will be, and that returning to Hagwarts, officially, as pupils would provide good cover both from Voldemort or from Scrimgeour.

But at this stage, who knows, other than JKR? Well, we hope she does...
greyathena From: greyathena Date: September 11th, 2006 01:43 pm (UTC) (Link)
I said yes, prominently - maybe not the COS itself, but I was fairly convinced by a good fanfic that pointed out the Chamber might be an alternate entrance to Hogwarts. Of course, there would have to be some reason why Voldemort didn't just use it in HBP, instead of making Draco go through that silly exercise with the cabinet. Then again, Voldy didn't seem to want to come along himself in HBP, and maybe he's the only one who can use the supersecretspecial COS entrance? Or he was just testing Draco? Anyway, that theory involves there being another entrance to the Chamber from the outside of the school.

As far as everything else - I do think H/R/Hr will change their minds and go back to school, at least to use it as a base of operations, because all the resources are at Hogwarts. I can see them getting some kind of special arrangement through the Order that would allow them to come and go and not necessarily attend classes. I do not think they will take Ginny with them, wherever it is they might go, but I *do* think that Ginny, and Neville and Luna and some of the other DA kids, will be around for whatever the last showdown is.
From: (Anonymous) Date: September 11th, 2006 03:14 pm (UTC) (Link)
So Voldemort might try to get his Horcrux back. Perhaps it was even one of the reasons for him to want Dumbledore dead.

I really want to see the movie How Voldemort Got His Horcrux Back, starring Taye Diggs as his much younger saucy new Death Eater.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: September 11th, 2006 03:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
:snickersnort:
amanuensis1 From: amanuensis1 Date: September 11th, 2006 04:53 pm (UTC) (Link)
One thing JKR doesn't have is George Lucas syndrome. Remember Return of the Jedi? Remember the major climax? They've built (gasp) ANOTHER DEATH STAR! JKR so far has shown us she's cleverer than that--much to a lot of fans' dismay, those of us who are sorry that she keeps introducing new characters instead of telling us more stories about those we've already encountered and loved. So, no, I can't imagine the Chamber of Secrets will get much facetime at all.
olympe_maxime From: olympe_maxime Date: September 11th, 2006 05:13 pm (UTC) (Link)
There's some significance to the fact that Voldemort and Harry are the only two living Parselmouths, as far as we know, and that it takes a parselmouth to get into the chamber.

Now, considering the fact that it's always been Harry who has gone ahead alone at the end of every book to face Voldemort - Hermione and Ron always fall behind, somehow - it may be that these two end up fighting the final battle in the chamber... it would be the best excuse for cutting Harry off from all potential sources of help.

But then this would kind of be a repetition of the CoS battle between Harry and Tom Riddle... or perhaps we could see this as "they've come full circle" rather than as repetition. It all depends, really. I definitely won't mind seeing the Chamber again, and I do think it'll make an appearance - and this is my best guess as to how.
vlredreign From: vlredreign Date: September 13th, 2006 02:04 am (UTC) (Link)
I think that the CoS will come into play again. I've always believed that there was something other than the basilisk down there. And obviously, Riddle spent quite a bit of time there, as he had to sway the basilisk to do his bidding.

A question, as I've not seen it asked: Where did Nagini come from? Has Voldemort always had her, or was she a recent acquisition? And what kind of snake is she? Is it possible that he hatched her down there? Also, at what stage of development is a basilisk able to kill with its eyes? I've wondered if Nagini was maybe a baby basilisk. Weird, I know.

Also, does Voldemort know that Harry is a Parselmouth? His reincarnated self did, but does he? I've wondered this more than anything, because it's never been mentioned in the books. I would have thought that Draco would have told Lucius, who in turn would have told his boss. Curious. This might have some bearing later, I think.

One last thought about the chamber. We know that Voldemort learned about Horcruxes from Slughorn. Is it possible that he has notes, and those notes are hidden in a place that he felt was inequivocally safe, ie CoS? After all, there weren't any other Parselmouths around.
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