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Antonella Barba and the Completely Nonsensical Comment
Okay, the concept of American Idol is, "Bunch of people sing. Audience decides which one(s) they like best, votes. Person with fewest votes goes home. Last one standing wins."

Yes?

Thought so.

It's not a hard concept, and it boils down to people comparing one singer with another singer and deciding which they like better.

So, after Simon tells her that she doesn't compare well with the other singers, Antonella Barba says, with a tone that sounds like she thinks it makes sense, that the others are all wonderful, but she doesn't compare herself to them, and thinks that the judges and America shouldn't either. I mean, how could they be so mean?

WTF?
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andreanna From: andreanna Date: March 8th, 2007 11:06 pm (UTC) (Link)
I saw that episode and that scene and was like, "awww darling. but it's a competition."
mamadeb From: mamadeb Date: March 8th, 2007 11:10 pm (UTC) (Link)
It's the same mentality that had people leaving the audition rooms muttering (or shouting) about how "mean" and "judgemental" the, um, judges were.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: March 8th, 2007 11:42 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yeah. Imagine that! Judges!

They should be careful with that offensive language. Next season (or maybe the episode closest to Apr. 1 this year), they should bill themselves as "talent facilitators."
From: (Anonymous) Date: March 9th, 2007 08:35 pm (UTC) (Link)
Well, it doesn't have anything to do with their singing when Simon says they're too fat.
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From: gunderpants Date: March 8th, 2007 11:18 pm (UTC) (Link)
Antonella Barba is the hilarious one who has all those nude pics up on the internet, right? She's so fucking funny.

But it's nice to see that my creative writing class is affecting REAL change in reality TV :(
arclevel From: arclevel Date: March 8th, 2007 11:39 pm (UTC) (Link)
Well, let's face it. The reason she wasn't kicked off the first week, after being the worst singer, was that she had publicity because they'd focused on her and her friend in both the auditions and Hollywood Week. The reason she wasn't kicked off last week, after being the worst singer, was that she had publicity because there were nude pictures of her (or not of her, whichever) up on the internet. I will be severely disappointed if she isn't off this week (after being the worst singer), but if she isn't, I won't be terribly surprised, again due to the nude pictures and the amount of boys (and men) who want to keep her on so they can keep fantasizing about her.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: March 8th, 2007 11:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
She's also Vote For the Worst's princess--they want her in as long as possible, so they're encouraging their crowd to vote for her as much as possible (their male candidate is Sundance). Though I don't think they have that much influence.
arclevel From: arclevel Date: March 8th, 2007 11:49 pm (UTC) (Link)
Right, I saw that over the weekend, but I agree that that shouldn't be enough to keep her in. I'm not too sure why they've got Sundance down; his first performance was bad, but there were worse, and he's been good since then, unlike Sanjaya and a couple others. (On the Sundance topic, I'm also a little confused -- the lyrics to "Jeremy" have a rather blatant f-word in the part he sang. It didn't sound like he changed the lyric at all, and no one said a word, either on the show or in the media afterword. Did he change it and I just wasn't hearing him correctly, or did the FCC and family media watchdog groups all suddenly decide they didn't care?)
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: March 9th, 2007 12:00 am (UTC) (Link)
Could be that they just heard it but assumed it was something else.

As to Sundance, I haven't noticed a marked improvement, except in "Mustang Sally." I didn't like him in auditions, and have continued not to like him. Just that weird, creepy feeling at the base of the nerves that has no rational explanation in a lot of cases, but which I generally trust in real life. While it's not an excuse to dislike a singer as a singer, when he's mediocre, it does change my impression of him as a performer, because I find it difficult to enjoy him.

(On the other hand, I'm a Sanjaya fan, sort of, despite a couple of bad performances. I am not consistent, but I like his polite, halfway decent demeanor. Also, because a Sanjaya hater of my acquaintance decided that the best way to express his anti-Sanjaya-ness was by making fun of his name, like it was impossible to pronounce them weird furriner names. Tends to make me start waving flags for whoever was insulted in such a way.)
arclevel From: arclevel Date: March 9th, 2007 12:15 am (UTC) (Link)
I suppose there've only been two performances since that first one (I don't really count the auditions and Hollywood week for much, since they were both quite a while ago and we only got little clips), so it's really just "Jeremy" we differ on, then. :-)

I like Sanjaya quite a lot; he seems like a really sweet kid. Unfortunately, since the semifinals started, he hasn't been good at all. This week he picked a *much* better song, but it needed a little more edge and/or energy. They gave him a little credit for the song, but not much, given how down they were on him for the previous songs.

There was a post on Slate's AI blog a couple weeks ago where it broke down the list of semifinalists, and it referred to Sanjaya as the most ethincally 'exotic'. That struck me as really weird at first, until I realized that I've always lived places where Asians, both South Asian and East Asian, were by far the dominant minority. I suppose in a lot of places, it really *is* exotic. I wouldn't think Boston would be one of them, though... (and it *hardly* excuses making fun of his name.)
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: March 9th, 2007 12:24 am (UTC) (Link)
Sweet, humblish kid goes a ways with me, largely because of the contrast with Antonella-ism, and I do think he has nice, clean voice that could do interesting things with the right material. He's never going to be a rocker or a soul star, though. He should stick to boy-band songs.

The guy who pulled the insult isn't from Boston, but he is coastal, for criminy's sake. And even in PERRY, I don't think I'd have found it hard to pronounce San-jay-a. It's pretty much like it sounds!

(Indians aren't a huge ethnic group here, and their increasing presence is kind of new, but not so new that it should be thought of as really novel. Nothing excuses making funny faces and doing a "however you pronounce that name" sort of thing.)
arclevel From: arclevel Date: March 8th, 2007 11:44 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh, I also forgot to mention that I'm not surprised she said what she did. Ryan makes them 'respond' to the judges comments, and since they have to vie desperately for votes, she can hardly agree with them. What else is she going to say?

As far as campaigning goes, is it just me, or is Chris Sligh really working the PR, say the right thing, aspect of the competition? I don't fault him for it (he's still my favorite), but I think he's doing it very deliberately. I've also stopped believing that Melinda is at all surprised anymore when they tell her how amazing she is. It's actually Lakisha who looks genuinely uncomfortable with the spotlight, even if she doesn't come across as shy, and she doesn't pretend not to know by now that she's good.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: March 8th, 2007 11:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yeah--but I admit to just being sick of Lakisha already--that booming diva style is way old. And the weekly tongue baths from the judges aren't helping.

Sligh's definitely playing the PR angle, but we knew at auditions that he would, since he was playing with expectations then. It's like some weird meta-within-meta. I also believe that Melinda probably has more confidence than her "persona" is supposed to project--she became a professional singer, after all. But she's still awesome.
arclevel From: arclevel Date: March 9th, 2007 12:21 am (UTC) (Link)
Oh, it's old, but the judges love it and always will. Whenever Randy starts talking about Mariah (or Whitney, or Chaka, or whoever), he practically swoons, and I sit there thinking, "yes, but I *prefer* these girls who can't quite pull off that same level." Also, this type of competition definitely benefits from being a 'big' diva-style singer, despite the successes of Carrie Underwood or Chris Daughtry.

Melinda's my favorite woman in the competition, and I'm tentatively picking her to win. I think she's going to be more consistent than Lakisha or the other big female singers, and much as I love Chris and really like Blake, none of the guys really stand a chance.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: March 9th, 2007 01:01 am (UTC) (Link)
True, though you can't underestimate the "crushy teen girl vote" for getting cute guys further than they deserve to go. (Though Blake's marketable. I adore Chris, but trying to mass market him would be a nightmare. Same problem they've had with Ruben.)
dreagoddess From: dreagoddess Date: March 9th, 2007 01:02 am (UTC) (Link)
Because she's a bimbo used to skating by on her looks?
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: March 9th, 2007 01:08 am (UTC) (Link)
Still, though, even skating by on her looks is comparing her to other people (just an area in which she thinks she excels). I'm less confused by "I should be in the top twelve" than by "Don't compare me to other people." Heh?
lazypadawan From: lazypadawan Date: March 9th, 2007 02:34 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm praying to the American Idol gods that the annoying twit gets the boot tonight. Not only does she suck as a singer, she epitomizes the entitlement mentality.
prettyveela From: prettyveela Date: March 9th, 2007 03:03 am (UTC) (Link)
You know usually I'm all for voting the worse person off but the other half of me wants her in for ratings(not that they need help in that area but you know what I mean).

She's been blasted in the press and blasted by the Simon and hasn't cried on stage once, I really respect her for that.

I know she'll be voted off soon but I think Haley should go before her, Haley is so boring that she makes my teeth fall asleep. :\
natgel From: natgel Date: March 9th, 2007 06:47 am (UTC) (Link)
Oh my. Did Simon rip her a new one??
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: March 9th, 2007 12:58 pm (UTC) (Link)
Not really! He said, "I wish you could sing better" and told her that she was vocally outmatched, even though she'd handled the way the press was treating her with a lot of class. Then Ryan's question was "What do you think of what they said? Do you think you deserve to be in the Top 12?"
thewhiteowl From: thewhiteowl Date: March 9th, 2007 05:00 pm (UTC) (Link)
Aaah scary icon!
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fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: March 9th, 2007 09:11 pm (UTC) (Link)
Works fine in real life--doesn't work in a contest!
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fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: March 10th, 2007 02:07 am (UTC) (Link)
'Cause they weren't in the same contest, trying to get the same people to vote on who lived up to the same standard best. It's always about comparison.
aebhel From: aebhel Date: March 10th, 2007 04:05 am (UTC) (Link)
Yes, but you can be personally striving for whatever high standards you have set for yourself, as oppposed to actively engaging with the competition. To make a bad analogy, I used to run track. When I was racing, my goal was not to beat the person in the next lane but to run as fast as I possibly could. Which often resulted in me beating the person in the next lane. It's the mindset that counts.

Of course, to ask other people to buy into your personal mindset is a bit silly.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: March 10th, 2007 07:05 am (UTC) (Link)
That's the thing--the whole contest here is people choosing which of the people hits the mark best. In other words, it's all comparison, because they're all aiming for the same mark, and the results come in by means of judging by other people. Judging by other people is always, always comparative.
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