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Lead time on spoilers? - The Phantom Librarian
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Lead time on spoilers?
Just in terms of icons and titles of stories and so on, is there a general consensus of how long we're waiting before we post things that don't go behind cuts that include simple spoilers, like names of people in an epilogue, or icons referencing DH scenes? (It feels a little silly not to name my PoV character in the story I'm writing, but I don't want to step on spoiler toes.)
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captainsblog From: captainsblog Date: July 27th, 2007 12:00 am (UTC) (Link)
I haven't heard of a consensus, but a week from release would seem to be reasonable.

Maybe make it our Sunday morning, out of sympathy to Pacific time zones.

I've read it. My fam has read it. We've donated our second copy to the local library, and whoever snagged that has probably finished it by now.

You've been more than kind in your restraint up until now.
prelud From: prelud Date: July 27th, 2007 12:08 am (UTC) (Link)
I agree, a week is enough.
ashavah From: ashavah Date: July 27th, 2007 11:29 pm (UTC) (Link)
You have a Klinger!Statue of Liberty icon! *glee!*
heatherhobbit From: heatherhobbit Date: July 27th, 2007 12:07 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm starting to get impatient, too. My photobucket is full of spoilery icons I want to use.

In my opinion, if they haven't read the book, they need to get off the internet and go pick up the book or else stop begging people to not spoil them.
rosetapestry From: rosetapestry Date: July 27th, 2007 12:11 am (UTC) (Link)
I don't know why, exactly, but I was thinking two weeks. I don't think names are a huge spoiler, though, so you're probably safe to title your story after a week. I feel like I'd want to wait another week on the icons, though, just to be sure.
czgoldedition From: czgoldedition Date: July 27th, 2007 12:27 am (UTC) (Link)
I'd agree with this. Two weeks, for the poor blokes who are trying to re-read the series and THEN read the new book, and whose progress in doing so in slowed by working. But names are OK, just nothing revealing major deaths, etc.
shiiki From: shiiki Date: July 27th, 2007 12:21 am (UTC) (Link)
A week should be enough time for even the slowest reader to finish. Two weeks, to be absolutely safe. I know of people who are waiting for the hype to die down before they buy/borrow the book, and don't want to be spoilt, but then it really isn't fair to expect everyone to tiptoe around them while they take their time.
kagehikario From: kagehikario Date: July 27th, 2007 01:33 am (UTC) (Link)
10 days is a standard in other fandoms I haunt. Past that, if you havn't read it, there will be so many spoilers around that you would be going out of your way to avoid them, and certainly not frequenting the journals of writers renoun for harry potter fanfiction.
author_by_night From: author_by_night Date: July 27th, 2007 02:16 am (UTC) (Link)
I am wondering too, because seriously? Posting random musings that are five lines long and such under cuts seems silly.

I'm going to probably stop in the next few days, maybe even tomorrow, because I think most of my flist has read TDH.
miss_daizy From: miss_daizy Date: July 27th, 2007 02:26 am (UTC) (Link)
I wanna use my icons. /whining

This book has gone so far beyond fandom that it's almost impossible not to spoiled if you haven't finished by now. I know my husband is racing against the clock to get to the end before he gets spoiled and he doesn't go anywhere near the online fandom.

Erm, that's not really an answer, but I think a week is safe.
sreya From: sreya Date: July 27th, 2007 02:45 am (UTC) (Link)
I'd agree with two weeks, based on my own experience - even diehard fans have life stuff that can drag out a bit longer than desired, meaning they can't really sit down with the book right away. Even now, I'm only at chapter 20, myself! Though after two weeks, chances of just overhearing something on the bus are so high that spoiler cuts aren't much good anymore.

I'd disagree on the names thing, though - someone titled a post with the name of Riddle's mother back in 2005, and to me, that was a pretty major spoiler since it suggested a pretty big topic within the plot.

I'd say if you're going to be writing a story, just make it very clear that spoilers are contained, and anyone not wishing to be spoiled will wait. No reason not to be naming your PoV character!
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: July 27th, 2007 03:17 am (UTC) (Link)
Heh, I mean, his name is part of the title "[...] and the Forest Guard." Nothing that could be hidden on the f-list.
stardust9121 From: stardust9121 Date: July 27th, 2007 04:06 am (UTC) (Link)
On the other hand, though, I don't think the specific character you're writing about is as much a spoiler to the plot as Merope would have been. I personally think that of all the things an author could "spoil" for people regarding DH, the boy's existence is pretty minor.

But I guess I can see people's point of view. I admit that I might not have had the same opinion before reading. :)
ashavah From: ashavah Date: July 27th, 2007 08:59 am (UTC) (Link)
Of course, his name need not even be a spoiler. It could be the name of an OC or something, to someone who hasn't read the book.
From: lianna_blanca Date: July 27th, 2007 09:06 am (UTC) (Link)
True - there are so many "original" characters (that are so often just copies of each other... sadly) floating around that most people wouldn't look twice at yet another child/sibling/parent of X and Y - saying "Teddy Lupin" in your post title is, in my opinion, perfectly acceptable now that it's a week after release.
From: (Anonymous) Date: July 27th, 2007 01:05 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm used to a week for movies and a month for books-- I'm trying to remember if I got that from comic book fandoms or from Star Wars. I know HP fen balk at the idea of waiting a whole month, but just so people know: A week is not enough time for 'even the slowest reader.' I cannot read a book in a week even if I'm on vacation (which I'm not). I'll be done with the book by the end of next week.

The thing with LJ is that it's not like other fandom communities. I agree that it would be unreasonable of me to expect Harry Potter comms or HP websites, forums, etc to wait for my slow ***. But I'd hazard a guess the most HP fen have people on their f-lists who are not hardcore enough about HP to sleep-deprive themselves or take time off work just to finish the book. I'm not going into your communities and asking you not to talk about what you want to talk about. But LJ isn't an HP community. I don't think it's unreasonable for me to ask people to remember that they're in mixed company here.

That said, I personally think you're fine on icons and minor spoilers. I'd appreciate people waiting a bit longer before posting, say, a list of character deaths and the pages on which they occur, but most icons don't even make sense if you're unfamiliar with the source material. I'd take it as a kindness if people would avoid using icons that make it clear who dies (tombstones, bodies, etc) on their posts, but I won't see them if you put them in comments on HP posts. And even really obvious icons about 'ships are fine with me.

On the title for your fic: that's entirely up to you, really. It did in fact spoil me before you started omitting the name, but I really don't mind. My reaction was "Oh jeeze, that's a spoiler. Maybe I should email Fern and warn her in case someone gets mad." But I decided I had no right to tell you how to title your posts, especially when I personally didn't find the title offensive.
leeflower From: leeflower Date: July 27th, 2007 01:09 pm (UTC) (Link)
woops, that was me.
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