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fernwithy
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Dead DEs?
Before I start a big story with Teddy dealing with Greyback, in searching for the names of other death eaters who survived, I found Greyback on a list of the dead. ??? Is this someone just speculating, or has JKR said something?

BTW, which DEs do we know for sure are dead? Has someone made a list somewhere? (I'm doing a scene at Azkaban, and I don't want to throw someone in a cell just to have someone else say, "He dies on page XXX, trufax!" ;p)
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plaid_slytherin From: plaid_slytherin Date: September 29th, 2007 01:05 am (UTC) (Link)
Last mention of Greyback did not imply to me that he was dead. I think a lot of people are just assuming that most of the DEs are dead.

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fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: September 29th, 2007 01:10 am (UTC) (Link)
That's what I thought, book-wise. The last time we saw him, it was Ron and Neville dealing with him. Since the battle was more or less over and neither of them is given to murderous rages, I assumed he was subdued and sent to Azkaban.
coffee_n_cocoa From: coffee_n_cocoa Date: September 29th, 2007 01:21 am (UTC) (Link)
I don't recall the names of any DEs either, other than Bellatrix and the nameless ones Voldemort killed in one of his rages. I think you could safely use the names of almost any of the known DEs and still have it be canon-compliant.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: September 29th, 2007 02:12 am (UTC) (Link)
Good, that works nicely. :)
shiiki From: shiiki Date: September 29th, 2007 01:46 am (UTC) (Link)
I did make a list for my own story planning stuff (sadly, I'm nowhere near as prolific as you!) and I don't mind sharing. This is what I've gathered from the Death Eaters we've seen in DH:

Definitely Dead
Voldemort
Crabbe
Peter
Bellatrix

Probably Dead or as good as(though not canon, so you could still have them survive if you like)
Umbridge (who never appeared after being left in a room with Dementors. And yes, she isn't a Death Eater but I've always classed her under 'bad guys'.)
Dolohov (who 'fell at Flitwick's hands' - sounded ominous to me, but you could interpret it otherwise)

Probably Alive (Again, not canon, so if you wanted them dead, no problem either.)
Pius Thicknesse (well, he's not exactly a Death Eater, but he was last seen 'floored by Arthur and Percy', and I doubt it was fatal from that description)
Greyback (Neville and Ron took him down. I like to think neither of them used a killing curse.)
Rookwood (he was last seen Stunned by Aberforth.)
Macnair (He got taken out by being thrown across the room. Depending on how hardy he is, he could probably be alive.)
The Carrows (they were tied up in Ravenclaw tower the whole time after all)
Goyle (got rescued with Draco)

Definitely Alive
All 3 Malfoys.

Fate Completely Unknown
Rowle
Yaxley
Travers

I guess it's not actually all that useful - a lot of the probablies are just deduction and guesswork. The list of definites are really short. Hope it helps anyway.
shiiki From: shiiki Date: September 29th, 2007 01:48 am (UTC) (Link)
Whoops, forgot to mention that the named Death Eaters there are the ones that appeared in the Final Battle pages, so they weren't slain at Voldemort's hand after Malfoy Manor or Gringotts.
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silly_dan From: silly_dan Date: September 29th, 2007 03:51 am (UTC) (Link)
Whatever happened to Crabbe, Goyle, and Nott's fathers? I don't remember them appearing in the final book at all.
plaid_slytherin From: plaid_slytherin Date: September 29th, 2007 11:02 pm (UTC) (Link)
I have a WiP about Theo's (OC) little sister being in Hufflepuff in DH and joining the resistance movement. I had her in mind the entire time I was reading and was very conscious of what DEs and what Slytherins got mentioned where. Neither Nott was ever mentioned. (And I punched the air in JOY!)

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lilacsigil From: lilacsigil Date: September 29th, 2007 04:56 am (UTC) (Link)
People seem to be interpreting "and did not move again" very differently. I thought this meant Greyback was dead, but other people don't know. I haven't heard any interviews on the subject of Greyback, either.
miseri From: miseri Date: September 29th, 2007 11:34 am (UTC) (Link)
But the "did not move again" line came when Greyback was knocked out by Trelawney, well before the final final battle. Clearly he recovered enough to require being taken out again.
darth_pipes From: darth_pipes Date: September 29th, 2007 04:57 am (UTC) (Link)
They never explained that. Goyle and Nott's fathers were sent back to Azkaban after Order of the Phoenix but that's about the only thing you hear about them. I wonder if Crabbe's dad cared at all about what happened to his son.

Speaking of SW EU...can you imagine what the eqivulent of that would be in Harry Potter? If other authors were allowed to write in Rowling's world? I bet you'd get some scary results. Harry wouldn't have time to sleep in the HP EU...he's be off to put down another Death Eater uprising. Probably lose the Elder Wand a couple of times in the process. Then of course you would learn that Voldemort could clone himself. But James Potter would become the new Dark Lord.

Sorry for that tangent but it is frightening to think what others would do with HP.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: September 29th, 2007 05:14 am (UTC) (Link)
Well, don't forget that wands won't really be necessary for anything, Harry and Voldemort only took baby steps, which everyone and their dog will surpass, and soon, they'll be faced by a horrible danger from heretofore unknown people who get around on broomsticks that they have to stroke rhythmically to get to take off, but man, do they spurt into warp speed.

Harry will never, even for an instant, give a thought to his parents or their entire generation. At one point, Oliver Wood introduces him to a teammate as "Harry Potter, the guy who sucked out Snape's brains," and he will cheerfully smile and say, "Yup, that's me."

Hogwarts will be declared obsolete, as the system needs to be revamped to allow much more training. Each book will feature a "cool" character that has much snappier lines than Bill, and a woman who makes Fleur feel insecure by the sheer awesomeness of her beauty.

We discover, of course, that after the Battle of Hogwarts, the DEs really still control the Ministry, so there's really no change in the state of affairs. And you're right, of course, that Vooldeemoort will eventually appear, and we'll learn that Bellatrix was a real wuss of a fighter, and Voldemort was really training Ginny all along, and she's the Hand of the Heir. Harry has to reform her.

Ron drinks too much, and Hermione nearly runs off with Sanguini the vampire.

And then, because the audience just isn't taking this thing seriously enough, someone decides to drop a moon on Hagrid.
alphabet26 From: alphabet26 Date: September 29th, 2007 10:04 am (UTC) (Link)
This list might help you, too.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: September 29th, 2007 11:49 am (UTC) (Link)
Very helpful, yes. Wow, Harry didn't note many dead DEs at all.
From: amber_mallis Date: September 30th, 2007 01:56 am (UTC) (Link)
You know, I wonder...(I don't know any of the Death Eaters that died except for the named Death Eaters, which people already named off) when the trio came up with the idea to go into Gringotts after the Lestranges' vault, never-through out the whole book-did I ever hear the mention of Rodolphus Lestrange. Is that because he's still in Azkaban? Did he some how die away with the others toward the end of the book or did he just mix in with the rest of the Death Eater crowd and remained unnamed through out the whole book? All I heard of the Lestranges were just Bellatrix, but never her husband.

I thought it was strange because he was mentioned in the Order of the Phoenix, but not in this book. Did you notice that, too?
darth_pipes From: darth_pipes Date: September 30th, 2007 02:52 am (UTC) (Link)
He was mentioned once in The Deathly Hallows. He was chasing Tonks and Ron during the flight from The Durseleys home. Tonks said they definitely injured him.

I was surprised there wasn't more of a reference to him too but JK noted that the only person that Bellatrix loved was Voldemort.
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