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Dead DEs?
Before I start a big story with Teddy dealing with Greyback, in searching for the names of other death eaters who survived, I found Greyback on a list of the dead. ??? Is this someone just speculating, or has JKR said something?

BTW, which DEs do we know for sure are dead? Has someone made a list somewhere? (I'm doing a scene at Azkaban, and I don't want to throw someone in a cell just to have someone else say, "He dies on page XXX, trufax!" ;p)
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plaid_slytherin From: plaid_slytherin Date: September 29th, 2007 01:05 am (UTC) (Link)
Last mention of Greyback did not imply to me that he was dead. I think a lot of people are just assuming that most of the DEs are dead.

fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: September 29th, 2007 01:10 am (UTC) (Link)
That's what I thought, book-wise. The last time we saw him, it was Ron and Neville dealing with him. Since the battle was more or less over and neither of them is given to murderous rages, I assumed he was subdued and sent to Azkaban.
coffee_n_cocoa From: coffee_n_cocoa Date: September 29th, 2007 01:21 am (UTC) (Link)
I don't recall the names of any DEs either, other than Bellatrix and the nameless ones Voldemort killed in one of his rages. I think you could safely use the names of almost any of the known DEs and still have it be canon-compliant.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: September 29th, 2007 02:12 am (UTC) (Link)
Good, that works nicely. :)
shiiki From: shiiki Date: September 29th, 2007 01:46 am (UTC) (Link)
I did make a list for my own story planning stuff (sadly, I'm nowhere near as prolific as you!) and I don't mind sharing. This is what I've gathered from the Death Eaters we've seen in DH:

Definitely Dead

Probably Dead or as good as(though not canon, so you could still have them survive if you like)
Umbridge (who never appeared after being left in a room with Dementors. And yes, she isn't a Death Eater but I've always classed her under 'bad guys'.)
Dolohov (who 'fell at Flitwick's hands' - sounded ominous to me, but you could interpret it otherwise)

Probably Alive (Again, not canon, so if you wanted them dead, no problem either.)
Pius Thicknesse (well, he's not exactly a Death Eater, but he was last seen 'floored by Arthur and Percy', and I doubt it was fatal from that description)
Greyback (Neville and Ron took him down. I like to think neither of them used a killing curse.)
Rookwood (he was last seen Stunned by Aberforth.)
Macnair (He got taken out by being thrown across the room. Depending on how hardy he is, he could probably be alive.)
The Carrows (they were tied up in Ravenclaw tower the whole time after all)
Goyle (got rescued with Draco)

Definitely Alive
All 3 Malfoys.

Fate Completely Unknown

I guess it's not actually all that useful - a lot of the probablies are just deduction and guesswork. The list of definites are really short. Hope it helps anyway.
shiiki From: shiiki Date: September 29th, 2007 01:48 am (UTC) (Link)
Whoops, forgot to mention that the named Death Eaters there are the ones that appeared in the Final Battle pages, so they weren't slain at Voldemort's hand after Malfoy Manor or Gringotts.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: September 29th, 2007 02:11 am (UTC) (Link)
Oo, thanks.

From an interview, you can add Umbridge to definitely alive. JKR said in a chat that she was at Azkaban for crimes against Muggle-borns. Then again, there's nothing saying she's not at Azkaban, Demented.
From: ethnotechno Date: September 29th, 2007 02:34 am (UTC) (Link)
Does a demented person suffer? If not, I want to see Umbridge completely sane and whole, locked up in Azkaban being quite miserable without any of her horrid cats.
darth_pipes From: darth_pipes Date: September 29th, 2007 02:47 am (UTC) (Link)
Umbridge spending the rest of her days in Azkaban is truly a fitting fate for her. Hopefully Harry's last words to her will be "I must tell no lies."

Voldemort and Bellatrix were the only confirmed DE deaths (not counting Crabbe here) in the battle. There were likely others. Pius Thicknesse was in the Imperius Curse so he can't be counted as a DE. That would be like counting Stan Shunpike.
gehayi From: gehayi Date: September 29th, 2007 02:53 am (UTC) (Link)
Eh. I ignore her chat comments; she's contradicted book canon in them too many times for me to pay attention to interviews and chats now.

If there isn't anything in DH that says if Umbridge is dead, alive or a soulless husk, I think you could write any way you liked.
From: (Anonymous) Date: September 29th, 2007 03:43 am (UTC) (Link)
I go with the official word here. Umbridge is in Azkaban.
gehayi From: gehayi Date: September 29th, 2007 04:00 am (UTC) (Link)
It's NOT official, though. That's the point. Canon is the written work of an author--or, if you're talking about visual media, like film and TV shows, it can be the work of a director, cinematographer and screenwriter.

What Rowling says off-the-cuff in her interviews and her chats is NOT her written work. It is, at best, commentary on written work. Given the fact that she doesn't re-read her own work and that she's been known to contradict her own canon, both in her books and in her interviews, I don't know how much weight you want to give her comments. Frankly, I wouldn't give them any weight at all.
tdu000 From: tdu000 Date: September 29th, 2007 04:27 am (UTC) (Link)
It does affect where Fernwithy will be able to publish her story. For example, she publishes many of her stories at the Sugar Quill and their policy is that interviews count as canon. If Fern wants to put her new story up there it's important to know what JKR has said in the various interviews. My personal view is that only what occurs in the books needs to be taken into account but when I beta I have to follow guidelines.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: September 29th, 2007 04:41 am (UTC) (Link)
It's also just a question of not having to explain myself. If I feel very strongly about something, I'd probably take a principled stance (in Star Wars, I loathe the EU and all of its works and therefore ignore it utterly in my fanfic, and will cheerfully say so to anyone who calls me on "contradicting" it), but if it's something I don't really care about, like whether or not Umbridge is in Azkaban, I'm happy to go along with it and thereby not cause any undue cognitive dissonance. Where she contradicts herself, I'll pick whichever answer I happen to like better. ;p Or, if I'm in a problem-solving mood, I'll retcon to see if I can make them square up, which is also usually a good game.

But I do agree that the interview comments need to be taken with a grain of salt. Give the girl a break. Talking off the top of one's head to people who memorize details as a hobby has got to be nerve wracking.
tdu000 From: tdu000 Date: September 29th, 2007 04:56 am (UTC) (Link)
I think the concensus was that if the writer can realisitically square their story with the interviews (rather than just ignore them) then the story was acceptable (assuming it passed the rest of the criteria)

But I do agree that the interview comments need to be taken with a grain of salt. Give the girl a break. Talking off the top of one's head to people who memorize details as a hobby has got to be nerve wracking.

I agree whole-heartedly with that!

On the question of Greyback: I never thought he was dead so I think you're safe. I'm delighted you are going to write this story first. Your comment about Victoire slicing Greyback's face with the kitchen knives was even more intriguing (if possible) than the hints about getting the muggle borns out of the country.
gehayi From: gehayi Date: September 29th, 2007 04:54 am (UTC) (Link)
Good grief. I never heard that policy before. What does the Sugar Quill do when Rowling contradicts herself in an interview, then?
tdu000 From: tdu000 Date: September 29th, 2007 05:17 am (UTC) (Link)
It is written some where on the Quill's policy statement. It quite explicitly says what is considered canon and that this included interviews. If Rowling contradicts herself, then a long debate in the staff room ensues until someone makes a decision. If it is a minor issue then common sense, hopefully prevails, if it's something major . . . not so sure!
summoner_lenne9 From: summoner_lenne9 Date: September 30th, 2007 03:18 am (UTC) (Link)
I definitely haven't read all of her interviews here, so please tell me if I'm wrong, but I can't remeber her saying anything in an interview that completly contracted something major. We all know she has a tendency to move around classrooms and stuff like that, she's admitted to it, but that's not, you know, MAJOR.

I take that chat as canon though, because what it was was answers to people's questions after DH. It was her quiet clearly stating what character's fates would be and such, and since she's said she will write the enclyopedia- and what's in there will DEFINITELY be canon- and I think everything she said in that chat will be in that enclyopedia... well ya :).

Again though, I could be tottaly wrong about big things she's messed up. I've found a few thing she's contradicted herself on in past books and such myself, so ya.(Mostly involving apparting.)
gehayi From: gehayi Date: September 30th, 2007 05:58 am (UTC) (Link)

Part 1

Things she's gotten wrong, both in chat and in canon (though this list is by no means inclusive):

1) Timelines. She stated on her website that Dumbledore died in June 1996. If this is true, Dumbledore must have been a zombie throughout all of HBP. HBP takes place from July 1996 to June 1997, and concludes with Dumbledore's funeral.

2) Ages. She's given the twins three different ages in chat, and Dumbledore two different ages (150 and 115), depending on what chat you're listening to.

3) Spells. She had Relashio send up sparks--and bubbles in place of sparks in GoF; had it fling Marvolo Gaunt backwards in HBP); had it withdraw chains into a chair in DH; and had Ron try to cast it at Pettigrew to force his hand to let go of his throat.

4) Wands. In Chapter 35 of DH, Dumbledore refers to Voldemort's wand as containing a great deal of his power and ability. But magical ability manifests BEFORE kids get wands, and moreover, she's spoken elsewhere (in interviews) of a "magic gene." Wands are a tool of magic, not the source of magic.

5) Prophecies. The prophecy in the Ministry of Magic is stated to be the only copy in existence. Snape only heard half of it, so he cannot have contributed. Trelawney doesn't remember it at all, so she didn't. Therefore, the person who contributed the memory of this prophecy must have been Dumbledore. Yet...Dumbledore has a spare memory of this prophecy in his own Pensieve. Which is kind of odd, as once you remove a memory, you're not supposed to have it in your mind anymore.

6) Logic. Since Dumbledore knew before admitting Tom Riddle to Hogwarts that he was using Dark magic to torture and damage other people and their pets, and since he knew that Tom had a gang of kids that bullied and terrified others, why didn't he suspect that Tom had let the monster of the Chamber of Secrets? It was in keeping with what he knew of Tom's personality, and was certainly more consistent than what he knew of Hagrid's.

7) Counting. In Prisoner of Azkaban, Harry reads about a witch called Wendelin the Weird who liked being burned so much that she let her self be captured 47 times. However, her Famous Wizard Card gives the amount as 14.

8) Locations. Dumbledore's office moves from the second floor in one book to the seventh in another.

9) Locations, Part 2. How did Harry, Ron and Hermione spend an entire summer at Twelve Grimmauld Place, helping Mrs. Weasley scour the house from top to bottom...and yet overlook the existence of Regulus's entire room? It's stated that Molly Weasley wanted everything cleaned, and that they found things that hadn't been cleaned in years.

10) Locations, Part 3. Half of a letter from Lily that was addressed to Sirius was found in Twelve Grimmauld Place. But where did it come from? Sirius moved out of Twelve Grimmauld Place when he was sixteen, and lived elsewhere until his unfortunate incarceration. Therefore, it would not have been sent to his parents' house at all. And where would Sirius, a fugitive, have found this letter? And if Snape planted it at Twelve Grimmauld...how did Snape get hold of it? (And, to quote my friend Jill: "Not to mention, why would Snape carry the bits that didn't remind him of Lily until he was at that house?")
nemesister From: nemesister Date: September 30th, 2007 02:47 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Part 1

Which is kind of odd, as once you remove a memory, you're not supposed to have it in your mind anymore

Nothing in the books suggests that it works this way. Both Dumbledore and Snape are well aware what exactly Harry saw in their pensieves. Dumbledore picks and chooses what to show Harry out of his pensieve.

Obviously Snape assumes that putting something in the pensieve protects it from legilimency - at least accidental legilimency - and it is never fully explained why. Maybe it is not on the top of your mind because you, literally like metaphorically, stored it away for the moment. What is indisputable is that you can still remember the content of the memory if you want.

As I understood it, the prophesies appear magically in the DoM once they are spoken, btw. Why would Dumbledore want to tell the MfM or anyone?

Also, Dumbledore said he suspected Tom and knew that Hagrid was innocent, but he couldn't prove it.

I agree that JKR contradicts herself frequently, just not in these cases.
summoner_lenne9 From: summoner_lenne9 Date: October 2nd, 2007 03:39 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Part 1

I can rebutt some of these (though the relashio makes me laugh, number 10 I agree is probably just a huge mess up, and the locations, as I mentioned, she fully admits to screwing up on)

Dumbeldore's death- ok, that's an obivous mess up. I tend to think Book 6= 1996 as well anyway. Or the ring could have turned him into a zombie with only one more year left on earth, :).

Ages for twins- Really? Considering the twins are two years about Ron and Harry and Hermione I'd think what their ages are would be farily consistent. I laugh at Dumbeldore, but these are the sort of mess up's she makes- locations and ages and dates, and considering the things we were talking about were plot elemnts and not things of those nature, well ya.

Wands- I think by no means was she saying that a wizard gets all their power's from a wand. However, it is undeniable that without one their magic would be FAR less potent, and they'd be able to far less. I believe she meant more of, once a wizard has a wand he gets an attachment to it. The Elder Wand is obivoullsy a special case because it's a Super Wand that boosts the person's power, but ya. Think of like a videogame or something- a character gets a sword, then he gets a better sword and gets stronger, but he himself still needs the power to use the sword in the -first- place and the knowledge how.

Prophecy- I'm not entirelly sure about the emptying of memories so you don't remeber it anymore. You, at the very least, remeber it exists, but just maybe you cannot recall the event, otherwise you wouldn't know what to retrieve at all. I think the penseive is an iffy subject, but if I remeber the scene from Order correctly (should grab it to check, really) he showed Harry the scene out of the penseive? Therefor, he knew it was in there, and after showing Harry he no doubtedly remeber the other factors invovled and could explain. I just don't think you forget EVERYTHING because then one wouldn't know to go back to it.

As for the source of prophecies, considering that no one knows what's in the Department of Mysteries, I highly doubt ALL those prophecies were actually TOLD to the Unpseakables. Instead, I think it is highly likely they use a kind of magic to get that prophecy, that records all of the prophecy's in the world in those orbs, or else there certainly would NOT be all those there for a LOT of reasons.

About Tom Riddle- I'm quiet certain that Dumbeldore DID think that, but honestly, he would have been the only one. All the evidence pointed to Hagrid, and Dumbeldore does NOT get all power and rule over things, if the ministry and his entire staff belive it is Hagrid he can't really argue all that much. But no doubtedly he kept an even closer eye on Tom, and honestly, if he believed it was undoubtedly Hagrid, he wouldn't let him be game keeper.

No, come to think about it, Dumbeldore wasn't even headmaster in that time. DIFFENTLY then one Transfugiration teacher's opinion, even if it IS Dumbeldore, would NOT change everyone else's.

Actually, this pretty well shows to me that the only true mistakes J.K made was the typical kind she fully admits to- magical moving classrooms, spells with different usages, dates completly messed up. Key plot points seem to be pretty stable however.

Though number 10 is rather amazing me. Do you suppose when Sirius was on the run in the 4th book he went back to where ever he used to live and found that? No, no. I suppose that would be too obvious.

Perhaps if he lived with Remus, he brought the letter for him? That's the only explanation I can think of.

I agree though that number 10 is the one that's the most grasping-for-straws and seemingly just wrong and messed up. And that it's odd that they tottaly missed Sirius and Regulus's room- well though, with the mood Sirius was in during Order, I can DEFINITELY see him saying to not clean up or go in his room, or in Regulus's.

Or, because they're clean already, they could be part of the house that was cleaned BEFORE Harry got there? Since there WAS a month or so when he wasn't there?

Ya, I think that one sounds right.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 2nd, 2007 03:45 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Part 1

On the letter, I wondered about it, but it's a really easy retcon--the person in charge of Sirius's case was in the Order. I don't have the slightest problem imagining Kingsley just bringing Sirius the box of personal effects from wherever he was living when he was arrested. Presumably, those would be in some archival evidence area.
summoner_lenne9 From: summoner_lenne9 Date: October 2nd, 2007 03:49 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Part 1

And there's another possible one o_0. I dunno, I'm sure JK had a reason there, because while she has stuff go inconsistent BETWEEN books, it's usually not in the -same- book since she DOES look over it many times and check for things like that. She'd think about this big of a plot hole. I'm sure there's a reason.

At that though, the idea of Sirius living back in his old bedroom during 5th year is just... really really unhealthy. The poor guy's mental health must have been SOOO damaged.
darth_pipes From: darth_pipes Date: October 11th, 2007 02:59 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Part 1

On number nine...perhaps Kreacher was the one who was keeping Regulus' room cleaned. He was devoted to Regulus so that would certainly fit. Sirius could have just told Molly dismissively that Kreacher would never allow Regulus' room to be dirty. By the time Harry, Ron, and Hermione got to Grimmauld Place, Kreacher had been gone for over a year and the room fell into disrepair.
gehayi From: gehayi Date: September 30th, 2007 05:59 am (UTC) (Link)

Part 2

11) Occupations. Rowling has mentioned, in interviews, three career paths for Ron: becoming an Auror, working for his brother at Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes, or a combination of the two. She's claimed that all are correct. What's canon in a case like this?

12) Timelines, Part 2. The twins talk about Harry, in the autumn of 1991, being the best Seeker since their brother Charlie played for Hogwarts. Trouble is, Charlie just left Hogwarts in June of 1991.

13) Consider these three lines from Chapter 27 of HBP. We'll start with this one:

The door to the ramparts burst open once more and there stood Snape, his wand clutched in his hand as his black eyes swept the scene, from Dumbledore slumped against the wall, to the four Death Eaters, including the enraged werewolf, and Malfoy.

To quote a friend of mine again: "The four Death Eaters, including the werewolf and Malfoy? Four? Or Five? Or Six? *confused*"

But then it gets more confusing.

Snape said nothing, but walked forwards. The three Death Eaters fell back without a word.

"THREE?? *Confused* Amycus, Alecto, Mr Brutal-Face and Malfoy or Fenrir. Four death eaters. Maybe five. In fact, JKR has called the brutal-faced Death Eater the fourth Death Eater earlier. Oh, well. Maths isn't JKR's strong point, but I thought she could at least count to four. *waves fingers* One two many lots. Oh, never mind."

I could go on and on and on. But the point is, the woman makes a lot of mistakes. She makes them in interviews, and she makes them in her writing. I like her world. Yes. It's entertaining. But I can't and won't pretend that her books and her knowledge of the books are both flawless. They aren't. The alternative is believing that she spent years crafting her books to deliberately make mistakes like this. And that is silly.
summoner_lenne9 From: summoner_lenne9 Date: October 2nd, 2007 03:44 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Part 2

For Ron- this seemed sorta obviousish to me. That when he got out of school he worked with George for a few years than switched to be an auror.

The others? Once again, JK messing up with math and stuff. I laugh at the one about Charlie on a regular basis.

Anyway, she admits it, we all know it, that she is horrible with math and keeping things like room floors and stuff consistent just won't work. However, with canon details, like jobs and character's pasts, THOSE stay consistent, which goes with my point that everything she said in the interviews about the charatcer's futures are of course true, while dates and such- well, we all knew she was terrible at that.

She's admitted it.
cornedbee From: cornedbee Date: October 3rd, 2007 08:20 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Part 2

14) Genetics. In one interview (or possibly her website), she stated that "the magic gene" is "dominant and resilient". This means that one copy is enough to make the child magic (the child of a Muggle/wizard marriage is magic) and that it is considerably more likely to be passed on than its non-magic version. (The term "resilient gene", by the way, seems to have been invented by Rowling. With just a few exceptions, all Google results point to her statement.)

Based on this info, there have been several attempts to precisely define wizarding genetics, for example:

Unfortunately, post-DH Rowling also stated that "all Muggle-borns have a magical person in their ancestry", strongly implying that the magic gene is recessive after all. If it wasn't, anyone with a magical ancestor has either gotten rid of the gene completely or is magical.

The Quill's policy, by the way, is this: interviews and the website are canon, unless directly contradicted by the books.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 3rd, 2007 08:27 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Part 2

I think she just doesn't have a really strong grasp of genetics. If the gene was always dominant, then--unless the original group was way too small to have survived--the whole island would be overrun. I'd posit a lot of balancing genes, one of the more complex genetic interactions. Of course, I was happy because I wrote a Squib ancestor for Hermione a long time ago (he married a Muggle and left his wizarding family behind), so I grinned that it seemed like I was on the right track... but yeah, it's definitely a screwy way to put it. I think she mean that it's nearly always passed in families--that wizarding parents have wizarding children--but that would again imply a recessive gene, not a dominant one. A dominant one would mask non-magical genes, so non-magical children of magical parents would be more common.
silly_dan From: silly_dan Date: September 29th, 2007 03:51 am (UTC) (Link)
Whatever happened to Crabbe, Goyle, and Nott's fathers? I don't remember them appearing in the final book at all.
plaid_slytherin From: plaid_slytherin Date: September 29th, 2007 11:02 pm (UTC) (Link)
I have a WiP about Theo's (OC) little sister being in Hufflepuff in DH and joining the resistance movement. I had her in mind the entire time I was reading and was very conscious of what DEs and what Slytherins got mentioned where. Neither Nott was ever mentioned. (And I punched the air in JOY!)

lilacsigil From: lilacsigil Date: September 29th, 2007 04:56 am (UTC) (Link)
People seem to be interpreting "and did not move again" very differently. I thought this meant Greyback was dead, but other people don't know. I haven't heard any interviews on the subject of Greyback, either.
miseri From: miseri Date: September 29th, 2007 11:34 am (UTC) (Link)
But the "did not move again" line came when Greyback was knocked out by Trelawney, well before the final final battle. Clearly he recovered enough to require being taken out again.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: September 29th, 2007 01:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yeah--I'd have guessed he died then, but since he was seen again after that, fighting with Ron and Neville, he must have survived it. Probably just knocked him out.
darth_pipes From: darth_pipes Date: September 29th, 2007 04:57 am (UTC) (Link)
They never explained that. Goyle and Nott's fathers were sent back to Azkaban after Order of the Phoenix but that's about the only thing you hear about them. I wonder if Crabbe's dad cared at all about what happened to his son.

Speaking of SW EU...can you imagine what the eqivulent of that would be in Harry Potter? If other authors were allowed to write in Rowling's world? I bet you'd get some scary results. Harry wouldn't have time to sleep in the HP EU...he's be off to put down another Death Eater uprising. Probably lose the Elder Wand a couple of times in the process. Then of course you would learn that Voldemort could clone himself. But James Potter would become the new Dark Lord.

Sorry for that tangent but it is frightening to think what others would do with HP.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: September 29th, 2007 05:14 am (UTC) (Link)
Well, don't forget that wands won't really be necessary for anything, Harry and Voldemort only took baby steps, which everyone and their dog will surpass, and soon, they'll be faced by a horrible danger from heretofore unknown people who get around on broomsticks that they have to stroke rhythmically to get to take off, but man, do they spurt into warp speed.

Harry will never, even for an instant, give a thought to his parents or their entire generation. At one point, Oliver Wood introduces him to a teammate as "Harry Potter, the guy who sucked out Snape's brains," and he will cheerfully smile and say, "Yup, that's me."

Hogwarts will be declared obsolete, as the system needs to be revamped to allow much more training. Each book will feature a "cool" character that has much snappier lines than Bill, and a woman who makes Fleur feel insecure by the sheer awesomeness of her beauty.

We discover, of course, that after the Battle of Hogwarts, the DEs really still control the Ministry, so there's really no change in the state of affairs. And you're right, of course, that Vooldeemoort will eventually appear, and we'll learn that Bellatrix was a real wuss of a fighter, and Voldemort was really training Ginny all along, and she's the Hand of the Heir. Harry has to reform her.

Ron drinks too much, and Hermione nearly runs off with Sanguini the vampire.

And then, because the audience just isn't taking this thing seriously enough, someone decides to drop a moon on Hagrid.
marikenobi From: marikenobi Date: September 29th, 2007 06:23 am (UTC) (Link)
Is it sad that a lot of those are already out there in fanfic world?
sannalim From: sannalim Date: September 29th, 2007 03:30 pm (UTC) (Link)
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dorasolo From: dorasolo Date: September 29th, 2007 03:37 pm (UTC) (Link)
*facepalm* Good lord I hate the SW EU.

Hermione only ran off with Sanguini to force an alliance between the good wizards and the vampires so that they won't turn against the Ministry when Voldemort returns to power in the form of Lucius Malfoy. The whole plan is thwarted when Ron wins Hermione at wizard poker.

But if you thought Voldemort was scary, wait 'til you see what happens when the Weasleys procreate. I hear Ron's kid kills the reformed Ginny.

*double facepalm*
merrymeerkat From: merrymeerkat Date: September 29th, 2007 04:36 pm (UTC) (Link)
darth_pipes From: darth_pipes Date: September 29th, 2007 03:50 pm (UTC) (Link)
Heheh. I was just about to write about the moon falling on top of Hagrid. You know that would totally happen in Potter EU.

Don't forget about the true power of Voldemort's Regime...The Dark Lord's Hand. Of course, it will be up to the Hand to destroy the evil clone of Godric Gryyfindor because Harry himself will be incapable of doing so.
From: _kneebiter Date: October 1st, 2007 05:06 am (UTC) (Link)
Actually, that's no moon. It's a space station.
alphabet26 From: alphabet26 Date: September 29th, 2007 10:04 am (UTC) (Link)
This list might help you, too.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: September 29th, 2007 11:49 am (UTC) (Link)
Very helpful, yes. Wow, Harry didn't note many dead DEs at all.
darth_pipes From: darth_pipes Date: September 29th, 2007 03:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
The heroes weren't really the bloodthirsty types. Nobody other than the Death Eaters used the Killing Curse. I wonder if they were concerned what it would do to them.
darth_pipes From: darth_pipes Date: September 29th, 2007 05:01 pm (UTC) (Link)
I was looking over the final battle last night. All it says is that Ron and Neville "took down Greyback." It does say Dolohov "fell with a scream" to Flitwick so it's possible he was killed.
From: amber_mallis Date: September 30th, 2007 01:56 am (UTC) (Link)
You know, I wonder...(I don't know any of the Death Eaters that died except for the named Death Eaters, which people already named off) when the trio came up with the idea to go into Gringotts after the Lestranges' vault, never-through out the whole book-did I ever hear the mention of Rodolphus Lestrange. Is that because he's still in Azkaban? Did he some how die away with the others toward the end of the book or did he just mix in with the rest of the Death Eater crowd and remained unnamed through out the whole book? All I heard of the Lestranges were just Bellatrix, but never her husband.

I thought it was strange because he was mentioned in the Order of the Phoenix, but not in this book. Did you notice that, too?
darth_pipes From: darth_pipes Date: September 30th, 2007 02:52 am (UTC) (Link)
He was mentioned once in The Deathly Hallows. He was chasing Tonks and Ron during the flight from The Durseleys home. Tonks said they definitely injured him.

I was surprised there wasn't more of a reference to him too but JK noted that the only person that Bellatrix loved was Voldemort.
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