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Teddy Lupin and the Hunter's Moon, Chapter 7: The Whole Story, pt. 2 - The Phantom Librarian
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Teddy Lupin and the Hunter's Moon, Chapter 7: The Whole Story, pt. 2
After Greyback attacks a family in Wiltshire, Teddy isn't the only person at Hogwarts obsessed with finding out about him--though the rest of the people who deplete the library's supply of werewolf books are (for the most part) treating it like people treat "really cool" true crime books. Teddy, on the other hand, understands that this is the person his dad had to deal with. Harry, during the course of their Patronus lesson, invites Vivian to come and talk, and she tells Teddy about Remus's months in Greyback's pack, and his impact on the cubs... and Greyback's impact on him. She also reveals that she has the wand she stole from him, which contains hair from each member of the pack, and that she really wants him to see it again before he dies.


Table of Contents and Summary So Far




There was no reason that Vivian's story should have eased Teddy's mind, nothing in it that should have led there, but as he pulled himself up the stairs to his room, he felt a weary sort of acceptance of Greyback and what he had done. All his life, he'd heard that his father had been nervous about getting married, had wanted the best for his mum but been convinced that she ought to look elsewhere, had even tried to bow out after they were married. Both Granny and Uncle Harry had made sure he knew those things before someone unkind could tell him in a less than understanding way. But what Greyback had done--making him try to hurt Vivian, making him eat a person... For the first time, Teddy didn't feel like forgiving Dad for being a bit flaky around the edges, which was what Granny and Uncle Harry seemed to want. Instead, he felt a fierce sort of pride that Dad had come back at all, and that Mum had stuck by him. Teddy thought he'd probably be flaky around more than the edges if that had happened to him. He knew why Mum had stayed, and decided that he would have stayed as well. It wouldn't have been fair not to.

Feeling a great wave of affection for Mum, he dug To the End of the Earth out from the pile of homework it had got buried under for two weeks. If she was watching, he thought, maybe she'd get a chance to finish the story this way. He tipped the book up to the ceiling in a salute, then settled in to read about Tirza and her pirates battling the evil hit-wizards, Summoning a cyclone and using it to hurl their ship forward, working together to give it enough of a Hover Hex to fly for nearly three hundred miles and escape their pursuers. Teddy suspected that this wasn't actually possible, but it was a delightful way to end up at Port Elizabeth, with a strong wind blowing them east, toward where Holt was being held in some sort of horrible prison. He supposed she would eventually rescue him, then they'd sail off into the sunset and live happily ever after, maybe sailing with the pirates and a whole shipload of children, but he wanted to see how they'd get there.

After he'd finished two chapters, he put it aside and played with Checkmate for a bit, then did his homework. For Professor Firenze, he was tracking history along the paths of the stars, which all seemed very impersonal. Would any of it have changed if Dad hadn't gone to Greyback? Greyback had nothing to do with his parents' deaths. But maybe they could have had one more happy year together. Maybe Teddy would be a year older, or have an older brother or sister who he could read about Tirza's silly adventures with, and wonder what Mum and Dad had really been like with. He knew a lot--he'd made it his business to find out--but he didn't know where knowledge left off and imagination started.

Everyone except for Donzo was waiting outside classroom eleven before Divination the next morning, comparing one another's assignments.

Tinny looked at hers, then at Joe Palmer's. "Are you sure that's where Mars was during Crimean War? I had it there during the Boxer Rebellion. With Boer Wars going on as well..."

"But that's just the Muggle stuff," Joe said. "During the Crimean War, there was also all sorts of wizarding stuff going on, what with that mad Icelandic witch trying to put half the wizards on the island under the Imperius Curse. And there was another one in"--he checked his paper--"Tierra del Fuego. A wizard. He wanted to set up an all wizarding country in Antarctica, so he was going all out making Muggles stay away."

"Yes, but still, that wasn't so many people..."

Teddy checked both papers, a little concerned, as he'd thought Mars would have taken on the solar aspect closer to the Great War. Of course, until he took lessons from Professor Firenze, he'd thought the sky just moved about once a year, but apparently, it was much longer term.

Donzo ran up, out of breath, just as Professor Firenze opened the door, and didn't offer an explanation for his tardiness. The class went in, lay down on the luxurious grassy hillside, and looked up at the magically rendered twilit sky while their teacher scanned their assignments.

"You've done good work," he said.

Tinny sat up. "But we all had different answers!"

"The ways of the heavens are slow. What is a difference of seventy years in a universe where billions of years have passed and billions more will? Ephemera! You must learn to widen your view."

Maurice leaned over to Teddy and whispered, "If my view gets any wider, I'm going to fall off the world."

Roger raised his hand. "Professor Firenze?"

"Yes, Mr. Young?"

"If all of this goes over billions of years, then what did the stories say when we were all just plankton?"

"I beg your pardon?"

Roger shrugged. "You know--when evolution was just getting going, and there wasn't anyone really making any decisions about things for the stars to tell the story of?"

"Your terms are unfamiliar," Professor Firenze said, frowning.

"It's Muggle science," Jane said. "And don't tell Geoffrey he doesn't know."

Geoffrey Phillips was a Muggle-born pill who always complained about how backward the wizarding world was in all things. Teddy wouldn't dream of giving him ammunition, but in this case, he did feel a bit stupid and slow as Jane, Roger, and Joe proceeded to explain the Muggle theory, and tell the class about animals called dinosaurs. Roger--who seemed to have an inordinate interest in them--kept saying that he was going to take his friends to a museum to see these things, but somehow, it had never happened.

Professor Firenze took it philosophically. "You mistake the teachings of the stars if you assume they are matters of choice alone. What a great conflict you describe, and such glorious beasts! Surely, Mars was bright then."

Roger grinned. "If all times are one time, maybe we could magically hop through and collect a dinosaur for the Forbidden Forest."

"Hagrid'd like that," Corky said.

"This is an unwise direction for conversation," Professor Firenze warned.

"Well, what about just Divining?" Tinny asked. "You said we might be able to read the past. Or maybe we could see what it would be like if they hadn't died. Scry it in a crystal ball or something."

The class generally agreed that this would be a fabulous idea, but Professor Firenze cut it off with an irritated swipe of his tail. "This is nonsense scrying. Perhaps Professor Trelawney would find such a plaything interesting. I do not."

Teddy didn't care about seeing a world with surviving dinosaurs--from the sound of it, there'd only be big lizards, and no people at all--but he did take notice of exactly what Professor Firenze said--"nonsense scrying" and "unwise direction." He didn't say it was impossible. After class, Teddy waited for the others to leave, then went to him.

"Professor?"

He turned. "Yes, Mr. Lupin?"

"Is it possible to see different ways the present might be? I don't mean with dinosaurs."

"Please sit down, Mr. Lupin." Professor Firenze indicated a rock that was probably a desk when the classroom wasn't magically transformed, and Teddy sat on it. The Centaur frowned deeply. "You wish to see a world in which your parents, rather than dinosaurs, survived."

"Well--thirteen years. If seventy-five is ephemera, thirteen could hardly make a difference at all. If all times are one time, it's got to be close. I mean, if it's possible to see other presents." He shrugged. "I just fancy knowing what my brothers and sisters might have been like."

Professor Firenze took a deep breath, and sighed it out thoughtfully. "You have a mind for this, Teddy, and you ask wise, if dangerous, questions. There are those in your Ministry who who study such things. I am not one of them, nor would I choose to be. What you speak of isn't Sybill Trelawney's fortune telling tripe, but a mystery of Time itself. Mysteries are rarely tame."

"I don't mean to change anything, though..."

"Not at present." He cantered over to the window. "Within the Ministry, such studies lead to devices of great power. There was once a Mirror, here within the walls of the school, which your godfather could discuss with you."

"The Mirror of Erised? No, Uncle Harry said that didn't have truth. It just showed what he wanted most."

"And you don't find this to be a form of truth?" Professor Firenze shook his head. "The Mirror toyed with the mystery of Identity. You propose to toy in an even more volatile mystery. What good would it do to know what never can happen?" He looked back at Teddy. "I am sure you recall what happened to your friend Mr. Apcarne when he was swallowed by a mystery that was too large for him."

Teddy remembered. Frankie had got obsessed with finding the soul of one of his parents' friends, and Teddy'd ended up needing to pull him out of a battle with Red Caps and a raging Forest Fire. He started to protest that he only meant to scry, but he guessed that Professor Firenze wouldn't be impressed with the distinction. And he guessed that maybe there was a point. It wasn't like he'd ever be able to reach through the surface and meet the siblings he was quite sure he was meant to have, or get a scolding from Mum for being careless, or see his own father's excuse for looking stern.

It wasn't fair--not after everything they'd been through--but he knew what Uncle Harry would say: Accept. Learn to accept, Teddy, even when it's hard.

He felt oddly old for the rest of the day. It wasn't entirely unpleasant. That night, he went back to his room and opened the Marauder's Map, tapping it with Dad's wand. He knew how to make it insult him, but he thought he'd rather just talk to Dad. He frowned at it.

"I'm, er... well, Dad, I'm sorry it didn't all work out."

The Map did absolutely nothing.

Of course. The Map was full of high-spirited fun. It didn't know that all of its creators were dead, and lived in its own perpetual state of amusement with the world. Which actually sounded better than moping about. He watched the dots moving around the corridors. Filch and his cat, Master Norris, were in the dungeons. Professor Longbottom was talking to Vivian in his office. The Aurors on duty were posted at the door now that curfew had all the students inside.

Teddy smiled to himself and headed downstairs, thinking that a little jaunt around the school with the Marauders would be just about exactly what he wanted. He didn't have any particular goal in mind, but it occurred to him that he could even set up a prank. He hadn't really tried that yet.

"Teddy?"

He stopped by the portrait hole. Victoire was standing at the bottom of the girls' staircase, looking mutinous. She was wearing a dressing gown, but it was open, and showed a nightgown that had been Charmed with garish flashing lights, not Victoire's style at all. She closed the dressing gown. "My roommates thought it was funny," she said, then looked at the Map. "Is that the... you know?"

Teddy had enlisted her help with the Marauder's Map two years ago, but they hadn't had an occasion to use it since. "Yes. Do you want to learn to use it?"

She brightened and nodded.

"Do you have your little bag of tricks?"

She shifted something around, and he saw that it was slung over her shoulder. "It's my purse. I don't leave it behind."

"Excellent." He gestured to the portrait hole. "Ladies first!"

If she'd been Ruthless, this would have got him a punch to the arm, but Victoire just clambered happily through hole, barely waiting for him to get through with the Map heading off into the shadowy corridor.
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ladylothwen From: ladylothwen Date: October 17th, 2007 04:08 am (UTC) (Link)
Oh Teddy...

I do love the little tidbits about Time, the DoM and the Mirror of Erised. It's such a facinating subject, novels could be written about those elements in HP.

My favorite moments had to be when Teddy 'saulted' Tonks with the book and the end with Teddy and Victiore.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 17th, 2007 12:34 pm (UTC) (Link)
I love the Department of Mysteries. Can I say that often enough? I'm not entirely certain I was supposed to...
darth_pipes From: darth_pipes Date: October 17th, 2007 04:11 am (UTC) (Link)
Very good post, Fern. I'm very much enjoying the discussions that Teddy, Firenze, and the class are dealing with here.

Geoffry's still a tool.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 17th, 2007 12:34 pm (UTC) (Link)
Geoffry's still a tool.

At least he's one without much of a part this year!
kizmet_42 From: kizmet_42 Date: October 17th, 2007 04:13 am (UTC) (Link)
All right!

There's something terribly satisfying that a Lupin (a creator) and a Weasley (a rescuer) would use the Map to prank.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 17th, 2007 12:36 pm (UTC) (Link)
Using the Marauder's Map for its intended purpose instead of for keeping safe from murderous dark wizards? Is much more fun.
bends From: bends Date: October 17th, 2007 04:20 am (UTC) (Link)
I knew if I waited until I was about to go to bed, there would be a post. Excellent.

I love how you've been expanding on Firenze's Divinitation classes since Harry and co never took them. I feel like none of it really makes sense, but if you thought about it for a while, it might. Which is basically how centaurs always are, so good job.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 17th, 2007 12:37 pm (UTC) (Link)
I feel like none of it really makes sense, but if you thought about it for a while, it might.

Hee, and then if you thought a second more than that, it would probably stop again. I love the centaurs essentially ignore everything that humans actually want to do with Divination.
willowbough From: willowbough Date: October 17th, 2007 04:27 am (UTC) (Link)
Nice to see Teddy back--hope you enjoyed your day off!

Teddy's ability to empathize with Remus after what Greyback did to him is one of his most likable traits. He really does seem to have the best of his parents in him, this despite being deprived of the chance to know them for himself.

I'm glad that the Marauder's Map will get the chance to perk him up, since he seems to need that right now. And Victoire and her ever-present bag of tricks should be a welcome ally in whatever mischief he manages to get up to. Although I do wonder about Victoire's pranking dormmate--was it retribution or simply "getting" Victoire before she had the chance to prank first?
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 17th, 2007 12:38 pm (UTC) (Link)
He definitely needs some perking up, and the Map is just the beginning. I'll explain how Victoire ended up glowing. :)
marikenobi From: marikenobi Date: October 17th, 2007 05:03 am (UTC) (Link)
Awww Teddy!

He still can make me tear up... but yay for a Teddy/Victoire adventure :)
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 17th, 2007 12:39 pm (UTC) (Link)
Thanks!
sonetka From: sonetka Date: October 17th, 2007 05:09 am (UTC) (Link)
I love the look at Firenze's divination classes, especially since Parvati and Lavender aren't getting in the way by drooling all over him :). I'm worse than Teddy, though - if I had a chance to look at the alternate-now, I would totally do it. And probably go into a massive tailspin as a result, of course, no matter what it showed.

What would Firenze think of Teddy's grandfather's scrying abilities, I wonder? Those were legit enough, even if he was fortune-telling.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 17th, 2007 12:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh, I'd totally do it, too. And the fact that Teddy isn't is less an indication of his great maturity than of his desire to please Uncle Harry, so I'm not sure he's likely to avoid it for long.

I think Firenze would be indifferent to Ted's scrying.
From: (Anonymous) Date: October 17th, 2007 05:11 am (UTC) (Link)
Aww . . . (sniff).

Although, as for Geoffrey, he thinks data=knowledge=wisdom. I'd like to brain him with an apple (as he already seems to be in cahoots with the serpent, I suppose it would be pointless to hit him with that).

Although maybe I should follow up that Genesis reference with something more evolutionary, but I can't seem to think of a good line for either Harry Potter in general or Geoffrey in particular. Oh, well. I'd like him to meet the Last Dinosaur in James Stoddard's House books (as the Last Dinosaur says, he was once Dragon but, as that is no longer fashionable, he has changed to fit in. The flames he kept for drama [and he'd swallow Geoffrey with nothing more than a few comments about self-satisfied monkeys proudly pointing at their heads as if they had just discovered them]).

Whoa, that was catty of me. OK, I'm more tired than I thought.

Er, the point, if I had one.

Oh, yes.

Awww . . . (sniff).

And, although I hope Victoire and Teddy get'em good, it occurs to me that the two most prominent targets in Hogwarts are wandering around at night, alone, with no one knowing where they are. And, as far as hiding goes, one of them lights up like a Christmas tree.

Ellen
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 17th, 2007 12:42 pm (UTC) (Link)
self-satisfied monkeys proudly pointing at their heads as if they had just discovered them

Hee.

Good point about Victoire being easy to spot--not exactly good for pranking, either. I'll have Teddy end that little spell.
From: (Anonymous) Date: October 17th, 2007 06:06 am (UTC) (Link)
Aw, gosh. I loved the little debating between the students and a somewhat irritated Firenze preventing a ludicrous line of discussion. Actually, it reminded me of Professor Binns and the Chamber of Secrets "nonsense." And look where he was wrong! :)

Not to nitpick, but I found a little typo in the last line:
"but Victoire just clambered happily through hole..."
I believe a "the" should be included?

Well-written chapter, as always. I'll be off to bed now! ;)
>>Zooky
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 17th, 2007 12:43 pm (UTC) (Link)
No, the nitpick is good. Gotta know about these things, because chances are, I skimmed right over.
got_it_bub From: got_it_bub Date: October 17th, 2007 06:44 am (UTC) (Link)
ooh! I wonder what Vivian and Neville Were talking about!
Wonderful Post Fern x
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 17th, 2007 12:44 pm (UTC) (Link)
I wonder what Vivian and Neville Were talking about!

I'll see if Teddy and Victoire can swing by.
amamama From: amamama Date: October 17th, 2007 07:45 am (UTC) (Link)
Now we really get a foreshadowing of Teddy's future career. Excellent chapter, as always!

And Teddy&Victoire at the end - I look forward to see what kind of mischief they have in mind.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 17th, 2007 12:45 pm (UTC) (Link)
I bet Unspeakables were all students who asked those irritating questions that could derail a class for days if allowed to...
purebristles From: purebristles Date: October 17th, 2007 09:11 am (UTC) (Link)
*is happy about T/V happening*
:)
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 17th, 2007 12:45 pm (UTC) (Link)
T/V is happiness.
cornedbee From: cornedbee Date: October 17th, 2007 09:51 am (UTC) (Link)
I smell trouble coming.


Anyway:
"There are those in your Ministry who who study such things."
The "who" has reproduced.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 17th, 2007 12:46 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oops, I'll catch that!
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fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 17th, 2007 12:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
I think Hagrid would see Jurassic Park and decide that Hammond just didn't care enough about his creatures.
From: (Anonymous) Date: October 17th, 2007 10:59 am (UTC) (Link)
Yeah for Teddy thinking that Remus had good reason for his actions! he felt a fierce sort of pride that Dad had come back at all, and that Mum had stuck by him. I'm sooooo proud of him!
Sorry about the lack of comments. I'm reading, just been too busy to comment. Lame excuse, I know. *sigh*
Great post!
~sam
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 17th, 2007 12:48 pm (UTC) (Link)
Teddy's got a huge amount of Tonks in him when it comes to the subject of Remus. He'd probably have joined the Society for the Emotional Support of Remus Lupin very early on, much to Remus's dismay.
ada_the_mental From: ada_the_mental Date: October 17th, 2007 11:18 am (UTC) (Link)
Many hugs for Teddy for empathizing with Remus!

Nice foreshadowing about Teddy's future career-Wish I could be an Unspeakable (though, the Don't-Speak rule would be a bit of a pain I suppose...)

Ok, Teddy and Victoire. Past-curfew wanderings are always fun, but what are you doing? I think I can hear Remus and Dora spinning in their grave.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 17th, 2007 12:50 pm (UTC) (Link)
Well, the Map would tell him if Greyback's around, so he's pretty safe as long as he keeps an eye on it...
shiiki From: shiiki Date: October 17th, 2007 12:00 pm (UTC) (Link)
For some reason Firenze's belief that the extinction of the dinosaurs was worth Mars being in position touched me. I love how you've written his classes - still as vague and unclear as centaurs always are. :)

Victoire's excitement at being able to use the Map with Teddy is contagious. I can't wait to see what they'll do!
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 17th, 2007 12:51 pm (UTC) (Link)
Vague, unclear, and frustrating. He's like those science teachers who are pretty much convinced their students aren't going to understand quantum physics anyway, so there's not really that much sense in teaching them about levers and pulleys.
hermia7 From: hermia7 Date: October 17th, 2007 01:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
Very thought-provoking. And this is a very well-constructed segment, with Teddy's thoughts about Remus and Greyback leading smartly into the time-space continuum, etc. I love Teddy finally getting a sense for the miracle that was a fairly-intact psyche for Remus, and that being a little flaky was in fact an amazing outcome. Lesser men would have been completely mad.

I also love how you're setting Teddy's future as an Unspeakable up in such a logical way. He has a very distinct personality, practical but yet deeply curious, able to give himself a good shake when he needs to. Amazing that you've taken the adult characters and given them such strong personalities that I can see how Andromeda and Harry have influenced Teddy.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 17th, 2007 11:16 pm (UTC) (Link)
And this is a very well-constructed segment, with Teddy's thoughts about Remus and Greyback leading smartly into the time-space continuum, etc.
Oh, thanks, I worked on getting from Point A to Point B for a longer time than I spent at point A or point B. :)

I think Teddy's well-situated to handle asking big questions. He actually can handle dealing with the dead pretty well (whether he thinks they belong in Dead-ville or not, though he's not above thinking it wouldn't be a bad idea to get them to, shall we say, relocate), and with time--he doesn't have to avoid the past to keep himself from being consumed by it.
izhilzha From: izhilzha Date: October 17th, 2007 04:29 pm (UTC) (Link)
That whole conversation with Firenze, about various presents and Muggle science of the past...brilliant. :-)
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 17th, 2007 11:17 pm (UTC) (Link)
Thanks. I think a couple of Muggle-borns with a science interest would make for interesting questions at Hogwarts.
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jedi_chick From: jedi_chick Date: October 17th, 2007 05:01 pm (UTC) (Link)
I love Teddy even more for his empathy towards his father, and his determination that he would have stayed like his mum. I found the whole conversation about different presents in Divination very interesting. I've always been fascinated by alternate realities--I would definitely take the opportunity to find out more about them if I could! And the setup for Teddy's future career is well done. He asks the best questions.

I find myself curious about what Donzo could have been up to... And I'm looking forward to some Marauding with Teddy and Victoire!

I hate appearing nitpicky, but I found a couple of potential typos:
during Crimean War?...With Boer Wars going on There seem to be two missing "the"s.

but apparently, it was much longer term. I think an "a" is missing in this sentence.

barely waiting for him to get through with the Map heading off into the shadowy corridor. Should there be a "before" in between "Map" and "heading off"?
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 17th, 2007 11:18 pm (UTC) (Link)
Nah, I need those reminders. :)

I find myself curious about what Donzo could have been up to... And I'm looking forward to some Marauding with Teddy and Victoire!

I think it can be arranged for one thing to be discovered in the course of the other.
From: kobegrace Date: October 17th, 2007 05:50 pm (UTC) (Link)
Lovely stuff.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 17th, 2007 11:18 pm (UTC) (Link)
Thanks!
From: smishli Date: October 17th, 2007 08:48 pm (UTC) (Link)
...but he knew what Uncle Harry would say: Accept. Learn to accept, Teddy, even when it's hard.

This, plus Remus's own 'excuse for a stern look', made my heart wrench. Oh, Teddy and Harry :(

On a more cheery note, I'm excited for Teddy and Victoire to use the Map, and Teddy's little book salute to his mum was really sweet. Also: Professor Longbottom was talking to Vivian in his office. Bwahahaha. I love that Teddy just has NO IDEA.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 17th, 2007 11:20 pm (UTC) (Link)
I love that Teddy just has NO IDEA.

Well, you know, they're grown-ups, they're too old for that. :p
From: (Anonymous) Date: October 18th, 2007 03:00 am (UTC) (Link)
Loved your interpretation of Firenze and his class. "Ephemera" was an excellent word choice.

Do I see a future for Teddy as a Seer? Has he inherited any of his grandfather's talent?

Poor Victoire. I wonder if she'll ever get more popular? Perhaps when she's older? If she's anything like her mother, she'll be popular with the boys, at least...

Looking forward to more!

Silver Phoenix
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 18th, 2007 04:29 am (UTC) (Link)
Do I see a future for Teddy as a Seer? Has he inherited any of his grandfather's talent?

He has, but I made up a different future for him. Of course, that means JKR will probably announce any day that he becomes an Auror or a teacher.
tree_and_leaf From: tree_and_leaf Date: October 18th, 2007 09:34 pm (UTC) (Link)
Great stuff as usual, especially the conversation with Firenze: profound and sad, but not sentimental.

With Boer Wars going on as well. Typo for 'the Boer War'? I also suspect that a British child would put them the other way round - I had only vaguely heard of the Boxer Rebellion growing up, the Boer War was much more familiar (might just be because of the Scouts, though!)
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