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fernwithy
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And more...
Because work is slow.


Just random things I don't get in comments:

People talking about movie!Remus acting feminine? Which scene? Mostly he acted quiet and oddly confident--a bit snarky, maybe--as he does in canon. Maybe I've been exposed to too many bizarre fanfics in which Remus actually does get femmed, but when I started hearing that, I was thinking Remus "Just Jack" Lupin. Instead he was pretty much as he is in the books--a nice guy who drinks tea. Nothing about him screamed "feminine" to me. Or masculine. Just, you know... Mr. Lupin-y, as my ickle version of Tonks would put it. Then again, I tend to not class behavior as "masculine" or "feminine," particularly, except in rather insulting stereotypes. (Masc: "Ugh, I take woman by hair and drag to cave!" Fem: "Oh, my sweet man, I will weep quietly in the corner and then love you until the stars turn to ice, and then knit little baby booties and coo and giggle...") Other than that, it's person by person.

Also not seeing all this "blatant" R/Sing. If anything, the two characters seemed less close in the movie than in the books--and I don't think they seemed all that close in the books, honestly--since there was no discussion of Sirius prior to the Shrieking Shack. We never even got Remus trying to suggest that Sirius didn't deserve the Dementor's Kiss.

Anyway, here's what I really wanted--not necessarily in the "The movie needed this" category, but in the "Oh, come on!!!!" sort of field. Just minor things that I wanted and am stomping my spoilt little feet over.

  1. As mentioned in the "The Bad" part of my review, the flames. The flame spell. In the train--Remus doesn't use a Lumos charm, he does a spell that gives him a hand full of flames. How beautiful would that have been? What a gorgeous introduction to Lupin! It has all that elemental power, all that mystery, and still it's warm and comforting. It was a perfect cinematic image, and I can't imagine why they changed it to something less visually interesting. The loss of that perfect an image when it could have been done just makes me feel weepy.

  2. The Christmas dinner, and Trelawney going on about thirteen people at the table. There were altogether too few weird things happening around Harry, death omen-wise. He was barely afraid!

  3. Sirius in the stands at the Quidditch match. Cloudy!Sirius was just stupid. Seeing the actual dog lit up with a lightning flash... that would have been cool. And also, hello, Sirius keeping an eye on Harry.

  4. Crookshanks. Why bother introducing Crookshanks at all, for all the screen time he got? There was no sense that he was a special cat, no sense of Hermione's bonding with him... in fact, in this pet-rich book, none of the animals other than Buckbeak gets much of a turn to shine. What's with that?

  5. The line about Wood drowning himself in the shower. It would have been a perfect opportunity to comment on Oliver's absence, and it would have been, you know, a nod to the book's major subplot about the Quidditch cup.

  6. Pigwidgeon. See pets, above. And, while we're at it, Binky. And Lavender, for that matter. Couldn't she have had some of Boy #1's lines, if they wanted to give them to someone we hadn't seen before?

  7. Sirius's long, grungy hair, as seen on Muggle news. You know... using that useless beginning section to accomplish something?

  8. Ron and Hermione making up after the cat/rat fight, when Ron offers to help her with Buckbeak's appeal. Oh, oops. Need that cat/rat fight in there, and the trio helping with Buckbeak's trial. But that's not in the minor nitpicks category.

  9. Hermione getting really flaky around the edges and looking almost as worn out as Lupin.

  10. Ron and Hermione looking for novelty candy to buy Harry. Ron bringing back gifts from Hogsmeade after the first visit.


There were other things, but those are the main little things. A few larger things:

  1. Ginny in the compartment during the Dementor attack, so there was some point of comparison for Harry's fit.

  2. The Sneakoscope that always acted up around Scabbers.

  3. Hearing that Cedric didn't think it was fair that he won when Harry fell off his broom--Cedric isn't important in PoA, but his attitude becomes of great importance in GoF.


Feh. I know, I'm griping now. I didn't hate it. I really, honestly enjoyed myself, as anyone sitting with me can testify. I just wanted more.
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matril From: matril Date: June 5th, 2004 02:17 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yes, Ginny, the Sneakoscope and Cedric were all things that I felt had been improperly omitted. I think it's important to see that someone else has it pretty rough with the dementors. And the Sneakoscope would have helped greatly to build up the strength of Scabbers doing something sneaky. Cedric, well, he'll just be coming out of nowhere now in the fourth movie. I suppose Cho will too, come to think of it, but I can't bring myself to care as much about that. ;)
likeafox From: likeafox Date: June 5th, 2004 02:34 pm (UTC) (Link)
Wow... I hadn't thought about it before, but the flames would have been a VERY cool visual. And Ginny being in the compartment would have absolutely made my day. (Of course, that's coming from the die-hard H/G-er in me. :P)

Also not seeing all this "blatant" R/Sing.

I'm not so sure about blatant, but you have to admit, if there's a line like "bickering like an old married couple" in OotP about Lupin and Tonks.... I'm not begrudging the R/S-ers their moment of squee over that one.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 5th, 2004 05:17 pm (UTC) (Link)
I guess I just don't see it in the relationship itself, and that comment of Snape's came in such proximity to "As usual, you've used your well-disciplined mind and leapt to exactly the wrong conclusion" that I'd be more likely to take it as a refutation than a support of the ship. I think that the final scene could be argued as a symbolic acknowledgement of homosexuality (though I think that being lycanthropic would also explain it--what's symbolic of something is generally not literally true as well) on Remus's part, but even if he said, "Well, Harry, I'm gay," I wouldn't see much to support a romantic relationship with Sirius. Then again, the H/H shippers are seeing H/H, and I have the same reaction to it.
riah_chan From: riah_chan Date: June 5th, 2004 05:18 pm (UTC) (Link)
I just came back from seeing it... many comments... like why didn't Harry question Lupin at all about knowing the parchment was a map and the fact that he knew what it was for and how to use it... and Super!Hermione (I don't like movie Hermione... I like book Hermione though...) I wanted the comment about Wood drowning himself in the shower. There was no reason they couldn't have used it. And I wanted to see Pig... and have Ginny on the train (she had like one line in the entire movie!)

Oh well.

You're my hero because you express all of my opinions on cannon/movie so much better than I can.

Riah-chan
From: phrogget Date: June 5th, 2004 05:26 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yup, that cloud was stupid.

It was basically saying that harry was seeing the grim....erm no alfonso, it was really sirius.... maybe he just didn't get it =P
fiera_316 From: fiera_316 Date: June 5th, 2004 10:42 pm (UTC) (Link)
Hi! Um, I know I've never spoken here before (though I love a lot of your posts); but I do kinda remember you from the SQ ^^.

We never even got Remus trying to suggest that Sirius didn't deserve the Dementor's Kiss.

In the movie, no; and somewhat in the book, too, but there was a vague reference to it. I'm sorry, I don't remember the page number off the top of my head, but it was after one of Harry's extra Dementor lessons with Lupin, when they were drinking Butterbeer, I think: Remus told Harry about the Dementor's Kiss when they were talking about Sirius, and then Harry said Sirius would deserve it. I don't remember Remus's exact tone of voice, but he asked, "Really? Do you really think anyone deserves that?" But it's probably not in direct connection with Sirius's situation, so I don't know if it counts.

Pigwidgeon. See pets, above. And, while we're at it, Binky. And Lavender, for that matter. Couldn't she have had some of Boy #1's lines, if they wanted to give them to someone we hadn't seen before?

I know! *stomps foot as well* I don't consider this complaint as whining at all -- because, after all, what are they going to do about Pigwidgeon in the fourth movie? Will he be a gift from one of Ron's relatives (or worse yet, "I found him, and decided to keep him." *sigh*)?

A question, though, because it seemed that Boy 1 was a Gryffindor (are you referring to the black, sort of chunky boy who appears to be in Harry's year?); does anyone know who he is? I thought at first that it was Lee Jordan, but Lee's already been cast in the first two movies.


liebchen127 From: liebchen127 Date: June 5th, 2004 11:27 pm (UTC) (Link)
There was another thing in the film that really annoyed me: I am referring to the scene after the Fat Lady was attacked and Dumbledore asked her: "Who did this to you?", she answered: "It was this man they are all talking about, this Sirius Black (at least she says something like this in the german dubbing... unfortunately I do not know the original... yet.) As if she did not know him!!! He went to school there, too!!! But maybe she really did not know him, because she wasn't the fat Lady from the first 2 films *grumble*...

A propos role-changing: The redesigned Flitwick is TERRIBLE!!!! Why did they do that????
mariagoner From: mariagoner Date: June 7th, 2004 01:59 am (UTC) (Link)
...They redesigned the little guy? Really? I don't even remember seeing him in this movie...
mariagoner From: mariagoner Date: June 7th, 2004 01:57 am (UTC) (Link)
All that you say is true-- they left so many rich plots and details out of the movie-- so much so that the movie seemed less like one flowing creature than like a bunch of random sub-plots mixed together. That was a huge disappointment.

But... I'll give Cuaron that much. For every scene he took out, he put put a few marvelous new ones in. Like that wonderful scene he put in of the Gryffindor guys goofing around with animal-noise candies. Or those awesome throw-away lines, like Hermione wondering if her hair really does look like that from the back. And even if poor Croockshanks and Snuffles got shafted in the characterization department, there was at least a magnificently orney Whomping Willow on the scene.

Did you enjoy any of the miscellanious short parts that were of Cuaron's devising? Do you think those made up for any/all of the plots Cuaron deleted?

(Well... I say Cuaron but I guess the screenwriters are suspect as well...)
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 7th, 2004 07:54 am (UTC) (Link)
I liked the candy scene a lot, and was glad to get a little info on Lily, however likely that scene is to launch the SS Remus/Lily into well-trafficked waters. But nothing is enough to make up for the omission of the Marauder story, which is kind of the point of PoA.
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