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The Phantom Librarian
Spewing out too many words since November 2003
Quell math
I just went through the list of 48 tributes that I made and the canonical deaths (trying to make sure I don't resurrect anyone or miscount again). The career pack didn't do very well at scouring the mountainside. Canonically, 38 of the 48 are accounted for (18 at the Cornucopia, 12 at the volcano, 3 in the fight that Maysilee interrupted that would have killed Haymitch, Maysilee herself, the district one girl, one by squirrels, and one of the final ones by combat). People were also dropping dead from the poison food, and Maysilee was "deadly" with her dart gun. Which means the careers didn't do much of anything after the Cornucopia and before the volcano. I guess everyone must have found some non-poison water.
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From: tree_and_leaf Date: August 24th, 2013 07:44 am (UTC) (Link)
Perhaps the Careers were too distracted looking for potable water to hunt down many other tributes?
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: August 25th, 2013 07:03 am (UTC) (Link)
Supposedly, they're scouring the mountainside for victims. Then again, Capitol editing. They could very well be scouting it for water.
snorkackcatcher From: snorkackcatcher Date: August 24th, 2013 10:09 am (UTC) (Link)
Maybe the Gamemakers set off the volcano because the Careers weren't doing much? It sounds as if it was a big arena, maybe too big for hunting people down easily, and if everything was poisonous they would have been restricted by the need to keep close to their supplies.

(Which makes me wonder where Haymitch and Maysilee got enough food and water from. Would there have been some edible plants and drinkable water -- rain? -- scattered around, for those tributes who had actually bothered to learn something at the edible plants station?)

Don't have the book to hand at the moment, but does it specifically say Maysilee killed many tributes with her dart gun, or was she just deadly against mutts? They were heading away from the rest, after all.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: August 25th, 2013 07:01 am (UTC) (Link)
Katniss says nothing was edible, but then, she's seeing the Capitol-edited version; there will have been a lot cut to make it the story the Capitol wanted to tell (in this case, all powerful Capitol controls every aspect of tributes' lives).

And on Maysilee, it said "she soon turns the blowgun into a deadly weapon by dipping the darts in lethal substances and directing them into her opponents' flesh." Sounds like it's supposed to mean other tributes, but that could be fudged to mutts in a pinch.

Edited at 2013-08-25 07:02 am (UTC)
sonetka From: sonetka Date: August 25th, 2013 05:17 am (UTC) (Link)
I agree that that's some pretty tight math -- even with forty-eight tributes, the Games probably didn't last terribly long. The three who attacked Haymitch could have been Careers, of course. And there could be combinations; someone could get weakened by an animal attack or eating a poisoned berry or two, later to be killed by a Career, or the Careers themselves could be depleted a lot faster than usual. My guess would be that the volcano was triggered when the gamemakers became worried that there was too much space and too many poisonous objects -- watching everyone die of poisoning solo wasn't what they wanted, not to mention that there was a real risk that there might not be a survivor. (Even so, it was a near thing of it. Didn't they ever worry that the two finalists, in any game, might end up mutually killing each other?)
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: August 25th, 2013 06:58 am (UTC) (Link)
It was careers who attacked Haymitch (three of them, when there were only five left). He and Maysilee took them out. There were ten scouring the mountain, then the volcano left it at five. So two must have been dead before that.

The volcano goes off on the fourth day, leaving thirteen tributes, which means I probably shouldn't have killed three with poison the first day, and one in the morning on the second, because now only one more can die until the fourth day. Then again, with all the poison food, I guess people would die a lot the first day, and the ones left would have it figured out.
sonetka From: sonetka Date: August 25th, 2013 07:55 am (UTC) (Link)
Thanks -- I'd forgotten most of the details (my copy of Catching Fire is currently in a box awaiting our move next week). I think it makes sense for several people to die of poison quickly at first, though -- they have no reason to suspect anything is wrong, and years of watching the games, not to mention training, will have made them want to seek out food and water as soon as they could. After that, the survivors would probably be extremely cautious about touching or eating anything, and might get temporarily distracted from hunting their opponents since the arena itself is so dangerous. By Day 4, everyone in the Capitol getting bored and restless at the lack of deaths, so the gamemakers decide to create some action and unleash the volcano.
rocky_t From: rocky_t Date: August 25th, 2013 05:40 am (UTC) (Link)
I think it says in "Catching Fire" that the rainwater was drinkable. Maysilee has a bowl; perhaps they were able to collect enough rainwater to stave off dehydration. I guess it also depends on how often it rains.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: August 25th, 2013 06:59 am (UTC) (Link)
It definitely says that. Maybe they make it rain every day so that the audience isn't bored with the dehydration angle.
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