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74th arena
Has anyone found a really good map of the arena for the 74th games? From what I can tell, the lake and Cornucopia are on top of a plateau of some kind, which drops down a hillside on two sides (Katniss's left and back) into a pine forest, and on a third side, has a sharp drop-off to grassland. Since Katniss sees the lake from her platform, it must be on a level with the Cornucopia, so that "corner" would all be high ground.

I don't get the impression that the river flows from the lake (unless I'm missing it somewhere?), so maybe it's just a creation run by pumps, like a giant fountain? Or it comes from outside and the Gamemakers just control it?

She runs for ages on a downward slope without reaching the river the first day. Maybe she's running diagonally, or zig-zagging to through off her scent.

The Careers are up by the lake. I'm guessing that, before she and Rue set the trap, they're down near the bottom, since it takes them a while.

With the red line indicating Katniss's path. The Careers are actively hunting, so their appearances can occur anywhere, regardless of their camp. The Cave seems to be where the rocks come down steeply to the river. I made it a round, dome forcefield for no good canonical reason, I guess. (Quite by accident, I put the fire close to where the barrier is, which would make sense.) The scale would be way off, considering how long Katniss walked, I guess.
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maidenjedi From: maidenjedi Date: August 26th, 2014 05:42 am (UTC) (Link)
The river and lake bother me. It appears most likely to me that the river (or possibly the stream, that's really not clear to me in the novel) would feed into the lake or that it flows from the lake in some way. It's totally possible that the lake is a dammed creation and the stream/river is the output or the source, even though we have no physical description of such a thing. It could also be that what Katniss calls a lake is more of a large pond, or that IT is the unnatural water source in the arena where the stream/river is natural.

Now that I'm thinking about it, I think that the latter is likely. The lake's proximity to the Cornucopia makes me think that the Gamemakers would use it as the "center" and rely on Tributes not knowing how to seek or use other kinds of water sources (drawing them all eventually back to the lake for easy slaughter).

fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: August 26th, 2014 06:24 am (UTC) (Link)
That would make sense.

I think there was a stream going to a river, now that I'm remembering. They could easily dam the river to stop it up with the forcefield, though draining would take some extra steps if it were a natural formation.

I'm trying to remember if Katniss and Peeta ran along the river to get to the lake at the end.

ETA: Hey, looking at it and thinking about the lake at the top and sloping sides... could they have been trying to make something like a northwestern volcanic area? Not meant to blow up like Haymitch's, but modeled on the topography of a crater lake at the top of a blown out area, then the wooded slopes going down? Crater Lake doesn't have the nearby creeks feeding it; they're further down.

Edited at 2014-08-26 06:29 am (UTC)
maidenjedi From: maidenjedi Date: August 26th, 2014 06:46 am (UTC) (Link)
A crater lake would make sense, but I was thinking of how some dammed lakes are higher in elevation than their tributaries (Lake Austin here in Texas is like that; Mansfield Dam releases into the Colorado River about 500 feet below where the lake could conceivably top off). The crater lake makes a ton of sense for topographical reasons though. We have to consider the forest terrain and lack of man-made landmarks. I suppose the Gamemakers can and do create realistic arenas that have hidden man-made properties, and each arena may vary depending on what is trendy in the Capitol or what the Head Gamemaker and Snow really want to portray in a given year. So, there may well be a dam in the 74th, but the terrain was sculpted to hide it, or there is a crater lake, or it's a contained arena in an existing mountain terrain (in Arkansas there is a state park with a lake about halfway up the mountain, and the terrain matches the 74th description; in a Panem scenario, the arena boundaries could block the view and access to the surrounding mountainside).
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: August 26th, 2014 06:54 am (UTC) (Link)
Judging by the 75th arena, where there was expanse of flat brown land beyond the forcefield, it could be a built environment pretty much anywhere, but I don't know if they'd go to all that trouble in a non-quell year, when they could use natural formations as a base, so yeah, it could definitely match existing topography somewhere.
From: queen_bellatrix Date: August 26th, 2014 07:37 am (UTC) (Link)
Just went and checked some things in the Eversion of HG I have. I used the find command to find river, and nothing came up. Now, that doesn't mean anything; she could have described a river and just not called it that. But, the stream Kattniss keeps describing is shallow but wide, and there's no mention of walking past or through a dry riverbed on their way back to the lake. There's just the mention of the dry stream, along with the drained ponds/pools. This makes me think you were exactly right about your crater lake idea, as well as them using natural things as a base. After all, how much easier would it be to just use the natural topography of a crater lake, with the natural lake as the center, and then create a watercourse with a shallow, wide stream that had ponds etc. etc. And the created watercourse would explain how they were able to drain everything but the lake overnight; it'd be like draining your swimming pool, essentially.

Note this comes from someone with limited understanding of designed water courses, so I could be off, but that seems the most logical explanation. Hope that helps some.:)
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: August 27th, 2014 01:09 am (UTC) (Link)
Ah, good catch. I was just thinking "river" -- probably movie pollution; it looked like a shallow river. Though I've seen creeks that wide, too.
redrikki From: redrikki Date: August 26th, 2014 02:43 pm (UTC) (Link)
You might also want to watch the film. During the control room scenes there are some great shots of the arena which might give you a better picture. Collins did consult on the film so it's a good bet their fairly accurate. Also, don't forget that there is a meadow where Thresh hangs out somewhere in there. I assume that there is also some kind of water source in that meadow that Katniss never has a reason to know about.
aerrin From: aerrin Date: August 26th, 2014 07:14 pm (UTC) (Link)
In particular, these screencaps may help:




These are from the scene where Crane determines Katniss is moving too far from the other tributes and starts throwing fire at her to drive her back toward them.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: August 27th, 2014 01:12 am (UTC) (Link)
Hmm. It doesn't show the downslope that the book talks about (which would be easier in 3D), so I'm not sure how reliable it is.

From: (Anonymous) Date: August 26th, 2014 10:56 pm (UTC) (Link)

Who cares, really?

Look, HG fanfic can't even agree on where the Capitol is -- is it Salt Lake City, Denver, Colorado City, or someplace else?

So I can't image anyone trolling you, Fern: "The 74th Arena isn't like that, dummy. RTFB."

The only person who could troll you with authority is Suzanne Collins, and she either is not reading your stories -- which is a pity, because she's missing out -- or she's doing very deep lurking here.

So don't sweat it.

However, I as a reader am pleased that you put so much effort into what are free, volunteer stories. But I suspect that the map above is the best you can do.

-- Tom
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: August 27th, 2014 01:14 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Who cares, really?

Heh, true enough.

These things usually start out as fic-related -- in this case, I was making a map so I could stay internally consistent -- then just snowball into general interest.
nevrafire From: nevrafire Date: August 27th, 2014 01:00 am (UTC) (Link)

maybe this will help?

I went hunting Hunger Games fansites and found these two maps:

from screenshot of movie- gamemakers room:

and then this one- I don't know if it's official or fanmade:

fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: August 27th, 2014 01:15 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: maybe this will help?

Thanks. Interesting stuff.
nevrafire From: nevrafire Date: August 27th, 2014 01:03 am (UTC) (Link)

umm... what?

I posted a comment with links to potential canon representations of the 74th arena and it was marked as spam?
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: August 27th, 2014 01:06 am (UTC) (Link)
Hmm???? Dunno. I just checked in.

All I can think is that the LJ thought the links looked weird. But it didn't cat the other post with links, so I am again confused.Hmm???? Dunno. I just checked in.

Edited at 2014-08-27 01:08 am (UTC)
nevrafire From: nevrafire Date: August 27th, 2014 11:38 pm (UTC) (Link)
ah ok.
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