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Star Wars - The Phantom Librarian
Spewing out too many words since November 2003
Star Wars
I saw it and reviewed it. There are spoilers. Oh, so very many spoilers. Like, forests of them.
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reannanshaw From: reannanshaw Date: December 23rd, 2015 01:40 am (UTC) (Link)
Thanks for this review. I was on the fence about seeing it. Pretty much for the same reason that I decided not to read the fourth book in one of my favorite trilogies. I liked it how it was and would rather remember it how it is than risk them screwing it up by continuing. After reading your review, I really don't think I want to watch this. Because that whole thing with Han--just no. I do not want to watch that. Especially since it sounds like Han and Leia's relationship kind of peters out and mostly ends rather than them getting the HEA I'd rather imagine for them.

Maybe as they keep making more movies, I'll keep an eye on what happens and we'll see if I feel like picking it up later. But at this point it sounds like I'd be happier just sticking to the original trilogy (and maybe the prequels). The prequels, in my opinion, didn't add enough good stuff to justify their existence (hot young Obi-Wan notwithstanding), and it sounds like I might consider that to be the case with these as well.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: December 23rd, 2015 02:07 am (UTC) (Link)
That's why I like spoilers. I don't want to waste my time on something I know I won't like.

On the prequels, I enjoyed the political and social set up of the first two, and would have loved to see it followed through. Nothing excuses the Empire, but I thought it was very important to establish that things like that don't arise in a vacuum. The Old Republic wasn't Eden. It had screwed up royally, and it reaped the whirlwind in the form of Anakin, a child who had suffered from the worst aspects of it and didn't see much of the good. I doubt he was the only one. So I was very disappointed when, in the end, they decided to go with, "Yup, he sure was crazy; good thing the rest of us aren't like him." I don't feel like the new movies are going to do that, so I'm cautiously optimistic. Then again, my interest in Han/Leia was never especially high, so...

Edited at 2015-12-23 02:11 am (UTC)
reannanshaw From: reannanshaw Date: December 23rd, 2015 02:48 am (UTC) (Link)
I agree about spoilers, and yet it's so hard to find them a lot of times when you go looking for them. But then, I've gotten into the habit a lot of the time now of flipping to the back of a book to see who's alive and who ends up with who. I actually did that (very poorly, it seems) with Deathly Hallows. I made the mistake of assuming that having a chapter at the end called "The Prince's Tale" meant that Snape must be alive at least that far. Boy, do I know better now. Fool me once and all that.(I actually still refuse to believe that Snape, Lupin, or Tonks are dead. For Snape, it just doesn't make any logical sense. For Tonks and Lupin, I figure they were just injured and could easily have turned out to be alive after all--since it's not like there was actually much battle aftermath shown. And I figure the whole magic stone thing only showed people what they wanted/needed to see in the moment rather than actually bringing the dead to them.)

I didn't hate the prequels, but I thought the best part was at the very end, when it hinted at Vader and played the Vader theme, and I was like, if the best part of the prequels are the part that makes me think of the original trilogy, that's kind of a problem. I see what you mean, though. I didn't really like the political stuff, but if they were going to do that, you have a good point that they shouldn't have kind of gone back on it at the end. I also think that Jar-Jar is a taint on the whole SW universe and the fact that they kept using him was a huge misstep. I also thought the whole midichlorian thing and Anakin being, like, immaculately conceived by them was ludicrous and also a misstep. (And I didn't like that they killed Qui-Gon. Because Liam Neeson made a cool Jedi. I also didn't like giving young Obi-Wan a beard because I just have a personal dislike of beards and think it's a shame to put them on young guys.)

I wasn't a particular Han/Leia shipper, but that was kind of the only ship in the original trilogy, and I don't care how realistic it is, I want couples to have happily ever afters. If we can imagine wizards with light swords, we can imagine marriages that don't break down or end.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: December 23rd, 2015 03:17 am (UTC) (Link)
The latter seems to be a bigger leap for Hollywood than the former.

I was indifferent to the midichlorians -- it was just something that Obi-Wan could see on a screen that would show that intangible quality of "Force sensitive." Like, if they could test intelligence by number of dendrites or something, with a simple scan. The immaculate conception? Eh, I've always been a myth reader. It's no weirder than Zeus showing up in Danae's chamber as a shower of gold and then, oops, preggers.
reannanshaw From: reannanshaw Date: December 23rd, 2015 03:23 am (UTC) (Link)
Yes, that is true. Maybe that's part of the reason I don't watch as much movies/TV these days. And it's definitely why I don't read comics as much as I'd theoretically like to. Both Marvel and D.C. have come out pretty decidedly against any kind of marriage (not just traditional marriage), going so far as to break up just about all of the classic married couples of comics, like Superman/Lois Lane and Spiderman/Mary Jane. Comics are run by a bunch of frat boys, and I want none of it.

Anakin wasn't a god or demi-god. He was just some dude with higher than normal power. There was no reason at all not to just give him a normal birth. Then they could have even done something interesting with the identity of his father. Doing it the way they did sort of just played into the idea that Vader was a one-off freak occurrence.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: December 23rd, 2015 03:28 am (UTC) (Link)
I think I just went with the classical allusion that most heroes are demigods. (As the PJO books put it, the heroes connect the human world to the divine, and carry human life to the heavens. Symbolically, that's correct.) I don't think it goes into the one-off thing, since it's fairly similar lesson to Hercules, whose power is pushed off the deep end. Or Theseus, who just leaves you face-palming at the end. In Christian stories, the births obviously get downgraded from theological to mere magical (Uther's fathering of Arthur, for instance, or the magical births of various fairy tales), but I don't mind SW going the more pagan route. I'm good with paganism, too.
reannanshaw From: reannanshaw Date: December 23rd, 2015 03:31 am (UTC) (Link)
Haha, you're a lot more generous in your interpretation of that than I am, it seems. From reading your reviews, I think you're more generous in general with these sorts of things than I am. I think I'm a lot more likely to just go, "Nope! Stupid!" (I have a book review blog, and I can get into some pretty specific rants about how things don't make enough sense.)
Tracy Wood From: Tracy Wood Date: January 2nd, 2016 05:12 am (UTC) (Link)
I saw the movie and I guess I liked it. It was an enjoyable couple of hours. But I think I would much rather think about how hopeful the end of Return of the Jedi was. But now I would always be thinking, well everything going to go to hell in a handbasket again.
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