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Bush Kerry How would you vote? aka How Leftist is LJ,… - The Phantom Librarian
Spewing out too many words since November 2003
How would you vote?
aka How Leftist is LJ, actually?
click here to vote!

(BTW, it shows that little-known fact that LJ is pretty danged leftist. Try being a Republican around here and clicking your flist some days.)
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shezan From: shezan Date: October 14th, 2004 02:50 pm (UTC) (Link)
Try being a Republican around here and clicking your flist some days.)

Isn't it awfully depressing? Especially now in the middle of election fever. There's about 15 comments I could have done without on every 25-post flist page I open...
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 14th, 2004 03:12 pm (UTC) (Link)
It's pretty common on the street, too. The whole "Bush supporters are STUPID!!!!" thing or whatnot drives me bats. Of course, it's the ultimate put-down from intellectuals, and of course it's meant for no reason other than to shut down any dissent in the ranks--"You either agree with me, or you have no business talking in these here eddykatid circles." I started learning to ignore it back in college, but if you go on in a particularly weak mood, it still stings. And of course, since the intellectual community is the only one I've ever cared to belong to in any meaningful way, it really does matter to me what the prevailing opinions in it are.

Of course, I don't want to join it on the terms it's working on. I want it to be actually intellectual again, and accept me on my terms.
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fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 14th, 2004 03:02 pm (UTC) (Link)
I know. I could say I was in prison for a violent felony and it would shock people less. :)

I'm bass-ackward on political stereotypes, though. I think the Dems are better on the economy, and registered Republican on education and domestic issues. And honestly, once the effects of a shiny new president wear off, I don't think there will be a lick-spit of difference in foreign policy.

Funny part is, I'm voting Kerry unless I can figure out how to write in someone else, just because I don't like either candidate (or dislike either candidate; I'm totally neutral), and I figure in that case, I may as well vote for the home-town boy.
webbapettigrew From: webbapettigrew Date: October 14th, 2004 03:25 pm (UTC) (Link)
What'll be funny is that, if Kerry is elected, four years from now, everyone will be talking about what an asshat he is...I think every President gets it.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 14th, 2004 03:34 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh, of course. That's the whole tactic of being a challenger!

So far, the most trenchant analysis of the debates I've gotten was from a Liberian cab driver, who was rushing to get home for the VP debate. He pointed out that Bush is doing horribly in the debates because this is the first time in his political career that he's not a challenger, but an incumbant defending a record. Everything he's learned so far has been how to knock down the other guy, not keep himself from being knocked down.
shezan From: shezan Date: October 14th, 2004 03:55 pm (UTC) (Link)
Er... Bush was elected Governor of Texas twice, so the second time he did run as an incumbent.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 14th, 2004 04:14 pm (UTC) (Link)
Huh. Oh, well. That theory's out. We're back to "He's inarticulate."
rabidsamfan From: rabidsamfan Date: October 14th, 2004 03:30 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm less of a Democrat than you'd think. But on the whole that party is closer to my views than the Repubs are at the moment. (And not all the Republicans are as far to the right as the current administration, which is a good thing. That party has done some good things in the past and I'd like to see the neocons lose some of their influence.) I've voted for candidates in either party, depending on the race and the position. I tend to look for intelligence and flexibility first, honesty next, and then whatever issues I think the position can influence one way or the other.

I've gotten steamed about the whole military service brouhaha though, because I was in the Guard for 17 years and I'm really kind of livid about the Sinclair network broadcasting that whole Swift Boat Veterans for Truth special as news before the election, too. The Bush campaign is quick to ask others to apologize for misinformation about Bush's service, but they let their supporters spew anti-Kerry misinformation unchecked.

Besides Bush's excuse for blowing off his physical pisses me off. Since when does a firstlooey decide which pilots are needed in a squadron? He should have got an administrative discharge on that count alone.

riah_chan From: riah_chan Date: October 14th, 2004 03:38 pm (UTC) (Link)
What is the big deal about the Sinclair network broadcasting a special. Michael Moore is trying to get F911 shown the night before the election. The Swift Boat Veterans are a group that is completely independant of the Bush campaign... from what they have said, they would campaign against Kerry no matter what party he was in and who he was running against.

rabidsamfan From: rabidsamfan Date: October 14th, 2004 04:31 pm (UTC) (Link)
Moore's trying to get a pay-per-view event, which is different from a broadcast. He's also not claiming that it is "news" or objective. Sinclair on the other hand is using the public airwaves and is calling the film "news".

And there were definitely ties between the SBVT and the Bush campaign. But the main arguments against the validity of their arguments come from Kerry's crewmates on the boat. Have you seen "Brothers in Arms"? And if they were always against Kerry, why haven't I heard these allegations every single time he's been campaigning in Massachusetts for the past twenty years?

I found one link which has some quotes http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/08/ale04031.html, but it's admittedly biased. I'm just too lazy to search further tonight (and too tired!)
riah_chan From: riah_chan Date: October 14th, 2004 03:31 pm (UTC) (Link)
So true. And I'm voting Bush because I'd like a guy who is at least consistant in what he says.

may_child From: may_child Date: October 14th, 2004 06:07 pm (UTC) (Link)
Bush has flip-flopped innumerable times.

Two examples:

Iraq definitely had WMDs. We've got proof.
(Proof of the exact opposite is given.) Um...they had the capabilities.

I want Osama bin Laden dead or alive.
I'm not that concerned about Osama bin Laden.
dreagoddess From: dreagoddess Date: October 14th, 2004 03:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
Ohhhhh yes indeed. I love getting the "we shouldn't even TRY to work with Republicans; we have NOTHING in common!" statement. Well, yes, apparently we have tolerance. Amusing statement, isn't it? :p
shezan From: shezan Date: October 14th, 2004 03:57 pm (UTC) (Link)
Andreaaaa!!! Nice to see you here!

(Hey, we Star Wars-loving conservatives have to hang together...)
hughroe From: hughroe Date: October 14th, 2004 04:33 pm (UTC) (Link)
Well, anyone that's read my LJ knows what I think of the traitor John Forbes Kerry.

For his testimony against the troops that were still fighting and dieing in Vietnam, for his words that were used to try and get Americans held in North Vietnamese prison camps to confess to non-existant war crimes.

For parroting the position of the V.C. and the N.V.A.

For supporting the Sandanistas even as they slaughtered indigenous coastal tribes, as they imprisoned and tortured political opponets worse that the old dictatorship that they overthrew (with the help of a battalion of Cuban armor)

For his "Global Test"

For, when he came to the same conclusion as the President, using the same intelligence, now to claim that the President "misled" the American people.

For holding that the National Guard is a form of draft dodging.

For flipping on Israel's security fence depending on which crowd he is talking to.

for these, and many other reasons, I cannot even begin to comtemplate mustering any support for JFK.
buongiornodaisy From: buongiornodaisy Date: October 14th, 2004 05:48 pm (UTC) (Link)
You have no control over this; however, asking people who they are voting for is not an acurate measurement of how "leftist" they are. There are liberals voting for Bush and conservatives voting for Kerry. A better question is, "Which way do you swing? Left? Right? Left-of-center? Right-of-center?"
From: peppa_minto Date: October 14th, 2004 05:59 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm Republican too. I've always thought LJ was Leftist.
kelleypen From: kelleypen Date: October 14th, 2004 06:03 pm (UTC) (Link)
Wow, reading down the list of comments at the president voting poll was really disheartening. So much hate! I keep praying that the American people will let go of their hate and see through the propaganda and vote for what they believe is true and right and just. I've been praying it every day for a month. I don't really care who someone votes for as long as that vote is informed by facts and character and fueled by the voter's sense of right and wrong. Personally, I'm voting for Bush, but he's hardly my first choice. I'd rather see McCaine or Zell Miller or even Leiberman in there. I think part of the problem is the primary system. We're allowing Iowa and New Hampshire to decide who are candidates are. Let's put all fifty state primaries on the same day, then send the candidates to the national conventions and let them fight out the nominations and the platforms the way they used to. Then give the debates back to the League of Women Voters. -Kelley
may_child From: may_child Date: October 14th, 2004 06:19 pm (UTC) (Link)
I've never gotten too deeply into the political parts of LJ, so I didn't notice their leftist bias. If they have one...oh well. I've been to plenty of other sites that had a distinct rightward bias.

No one should be made to feel bad for their political beliefs, but unfortunately, it happens all the time, and both sides do it. Every story of a Republican putting a Bush/Cheney sign out in their yard only to see it defaced or stolen can be matched by an identical story involving a Kerry/Edwards sign.

So much hatred. It is really sad. And pointing fingers at one side or the other, saying, "They started it!" is just perpetuating the cycle.

I don't like Bush. At all. I'm not crazy about Kerry but I certainly prefer him to Bush, and I find him a much more impressive candidate than Gore. Gore struck me as more of a Jimmy Carter type -- well-meaning but ineffectual. (Carter has accomplished a lot more since leaving the White House than he ever did as President.) IMO he has come alive in these last few weeks after a frustratingly dull campaign.
lazypadawan From: lazypadawan Date: October 14th, 2004 06:51 pm (UTC) (Link)
I've heard more about the overall tilt of LJ than seen it but that's because my flist is limited.
angel_gidget From: angel_gidget Date: October 15th, 2004 06:04 am (UTC) (Link)
I don't know if "voting" (I'm acutally to young to really vote)for Bush makes me a Republican, but I agree with quiggibub -- "When my president lies to me, I'd like it to be a plausible lie." I'm perfectly aware that Bush is less than competant, but I would vote for him just because I find him more honest and decisive than Kerry, who can't give the same answer twice about anything.
may_child From: may_child Date: October 15th, 2004 10:25 am (UTC) (Link)
Bush often can't give the same answer twice, and IMO a man who would do nothing for seven minutes while the country he (allegedly) leads is being attacked is not what I'd consider decisive. As for honest, I am hard pressed to find an example of Bush being honest about anything.

I fail to see how it is so much better to stick to a course of action when it is wrong (and Bush has offered any number of conflicting rationales for the Iraq war) than to change your mind about said course of action.
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