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Unique meme, and sigh... - The Phantom Librarian
Spewing out too many words since November 2003
fernwithy
fernwithy
Unique meme, and sigh...
A book you own that no one on your friend's list owns:
Hard to say. Maybe Clearing Clutter With Feng Shui, a useful guide that I seem totally unable to make use of. Oh, no... does anyone else have 13th Gen: Abort, Retry, Ignore, Fail? by Bill Strauss and Neil Howe?

A CD you own that no one on your friend's list owns:
Depending on whether anyone from harrypotters is on my personal f-list, maybe "Voldemort Can't Stop the Rock" by Harry and the Potters.

A DVD /VHS you own that no one on your friend's list owns:
:ducks:
The Rankin-Bass version of Return of the King.


A place you have been to that no one else on your friend's list has been to:
Drat the presence of people from my hometown and my college. ;P Oh, well, neither of can say no one else has been to Silver Lake or various parts of Letchworth State Park (though, the rest of you, if you ever happen to be passing through Western New York, check out Letchworth; it's cool), or that no one has been to various places on the Tufts campus. Let's try... Hebron, Indiana. Spent the summer there in 1980. It's pretty small.

On the "sigh" part of the title--

Remember the post about fearful writing? Here's another one where I'm really tempted to go back and clarify. Two different people (apparently without consulting each other) both commented that they thought I was implying Remus/Sirius in the first chapter of "Lines of Descent," because Remus wants a dog. ("He liked animals, and Daddy had promised him that next year, he would be old enough to have a pet of his own. Mummy was trying to convince him to get a cat or an owl, but Remus wanted a dog. He liked the way they jumped and licked his face.")

Remus wants a dog in this story because the reason he goes over to play with the neighbor's dog is to prove to his mother than he can take care of one, and that's how he gets bitten by a werewolf. Sirius never even crossed my mind while I was writing that. I find myself wanting to put something in to clarify that, but it's a good thing that it would be a hassle, since there's nothing that could be dropped in that's not a great big anvil. Also, why should I acknowledge a ship I don't ship, even to deny it?
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leelastarsky From: leelastarsky Date: October 16th, 2004 05:43 pm (UTC) (Link)
The Rankin-Bass version of Return of the King.

Ha! Gotcha. :~D My kids watched this pretty constantly for a while as a tide-me-over while waiting for the next LOTR movie. My youngest, who was probably 6 at the time and was a huge LOTR fan after seeing Jackson's Fellowship, watched it the most.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 16th, 2004 05:54 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, but I'm guessing from their fan status of the Jackson films that they haven't publicly declared animosity for the bad handling of canon... and then enjoyed the Orcs singing S/M disco (Where there's a whip... whocka-whocka-whocka... there's a way...)
leelastarsky From: leelastarsky Date: October 16th, 2004 07:04 pm (UTC) (Link)
Well, they haven't read the books yet, so no. 13yo son started Fellowship and couldn't believe that he was well into the book before it got to where the movie started. But then he got a girlfriend and, well... suffice to say he never finished. *rolls eyes*
My daughter is the one with the long attention span, so I have dibs on her being the first of my kids to read them all the way through.
The youngest, who was 5 or 6 when the first film came out, has been desperate to read them and has started the first book several times. But his reading comprehension has yet to catch up with his desire. Not to mention his attention span. ;~P
leelastarsky From: leelastarsky Date: October 16th, 2004 07:07 pm (UTC) (Link)
PS: I forgot to mention that the DVD was actually my husband's. XD Madcrazyfanboy that he is. ;~P
pauraque From: pauraque Date: October 16th, 2004 05:45 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: seeing Remus/Sirius where it ain't

In my experience, the most pleasant way to handle stuff like that is to take it as a compliment, or at least as a quirk of the art of fiction. Your readers came at the text from their own point of view, they saw more in it than you intended/were consciously aware of, and it added to their enjoyment. Not too bad an outcome, you know?

Sorry if I'm butting in where an opinion wasn't wanted.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 16th, 2004 05:51 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: seeing Remus/Sirius where it ain't

Yeah, when I'm thinking straight, that's how I take it. But an R/S ship is way outside of the way I understand the characters--and, I thought, way outside the way I write them. I feel like I'm not communicating very well.
pauraque From: pauraque Date: October 16th, 2004 05:59 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: seeing Remus/Sirius where it ain't

Yeah, that's the problem sometimes, isn't it? But if fandom teaches us anything, it's that some people are DETERMINED to see what they want to see in a text. You haven't necessarily failed any more than the cornucopia of non-authorially-intended HP ships indicate that JKR has somehow failed.
mafdet From: mafdet Date: October 16th, 2004 06:10 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: seeing Remus/Sirius where it ain't

Yeah, that's the problem sometimes, isn't it? But if fandom teaches us anything, it's that some people are DETERMINED to see what they want to see in a text. You haven't necessarily failed any more than the cornucopia of non-authorially-intended HP ships indicate that JKR has somehow failed.

I agree with you. There are R/S shippers who will see evidence of it everywhere, rather like the saying "when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail." They see it because they want to. It's as if the books are a Rorschach inkblot.

And heaven help us if every single HP ship = authorial intent. Poor, poor JKR. I doubt she intended OBHWO (One Big Happy Weasley Orgy)!
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 16th, 2004 06:22 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: seeing Remus/Sirius where it ain't

Yeah, that's true. The frequent ease of revising a story online makes it a lot more tempting for fan writers to "correct" an impression than it is for JKR, but the actual reader response is the same issue.
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shellebelle93 From: shellebelle93 Date: October 16th, 2004 06:32 pm (UTC) (Link)
Someone gave me the Rankin/Bass version of LotR a year or two ago.

"Look, hun, you can see where the money's running out!"

;-) But I dunno, I liked the beginning part...
jiminyc From: jiminyc Date: October 16th, 2004 09:33 pm (UTC) (Link)
The Rankin-Bass version of Return of the King.

Yep, I've got this one, too, along with the Rankin-Bass version of The Hobbit. I used to watch it with the kids when they were small. Daniel used to walk around singing "Why does he have nine fingers? Where is the Ring of Doom?" in a hilarious low voice.
sonetka From: sonetka Date: October 16th, 2004 09:48 pm (UTC) (Link)
Ahhhh, Rankin-Bass's ROTK. The moment that sticks in my mind is the one where Sam has his musical number about how great he would make things if he just claimed the Ring; particularly speaking, the line about how he and Rosie would be as happy as "mindless butterflies." A classic example of "just stick in any two-syllable adjective, we'll fix it later," and then somehow never quite getting around to it. I don't own it, though. Nor do I own either of those books. So you're good there by me, as far as it goes.
buongiornodaisy From: buongiornodaisy Date: October 16th, 2004 09:55 pm (UTC) (Link)
"Mindless butterflies"???

LOL. That makes me want to rent the cursed thing in spite of all the bad press.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 16th, 2004 10:37 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't think that was in the Sam's Temptation sequence (which was actually sort of good, as cheap, choppy cartoons go, except for the Trembling Lips Of Doom). That was in the repeated theme, "It's so easy not to try." I'm looking for a site with the lyrics.

In truth, I still prefer it to the Jackson movies, largely because I expect less of it, and at least it gets Frodo right (mostly), and--more to the point--keeps the focus where it belongs: on Frodo and Sam. Aragorn is kept in the background where he belongs, if you're going to start cutting stuff.

Ah, yes. I knew if surfed long enough before posting, I'd find them somewhere:

It's so easy not to try,
Let the world go drifting by.
If you never say hello
You won't have to say goodbye.

It's so easy not to try,
Never stay around to cry.
Move along when troubles come
Like a mindless butterfly.

For what good is it to love
When the loving always ends?
Travel on the road that's straight
Not the one with hills and bends.

It's so easy not to try,
Let the world go drifting by.
If you never say hello
You won't have to say goodbye.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 16th, 2004 10:40 pm (UTC) (Link)
Another favorite (she says with a goofy, fond smile):

Ominous background chorus sings:
The bearer of the Ring the wearer of the Ring
Stands on the very brink of fate.
Staring into eyes of darkness and despair
That rise and shrink with hate.


And the visual is a close-up of Sam's furrowed brow, with an extreme close-up on his eyes, which are by-G-d rising and shrinking with hate, just like the song says! (Wish I could find a screen shot of it. Alas, my copy is VHS.)

You can find this and other tidbits in the R-B script at
http://www.angelfire.com/film/rings/script/rbrotk.html
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 16th, 2004 10:44 pm (UTC) (Link)
One more, because I'm giggling.

This is the song where Sam is thinking about Rosie.

Less can be more and small can be beautiful.
Life isn't all just big and wonderful.
What do I need when you get right down to it.
All my cares come from greed and its time that I knew it.
Things I can't do without are the small things that life is all about.

Less can be more and small can be beautiful.
I don't want it all just part of wonderful.
For what do I need when you get right down to it.
Just a garden and seed and the love to pursue it
Things I can't do without are the small things that life is all about.


Which is actually sort of a sweet song, in its own simple way. Kind of like "I'd like to teach the world to sing," which also gives me warmfuzzies from my hippie-ish childhood. No mindless butterflies there!
sonetka From: sonetka Date: October 16th, 2004 11:03 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm giggling all over again :) (and you're right, the lyrics aren't all bad - but after "mindless butterflies" I wasn't really inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt). You're right - I got the scenes scrambled; for some reason I could have sworn that "mindless butterflies" came during the temptation scene - of course, this could have something to do with the fact that the temptation scene seems to take up a third of the movie. (I will say this, though - I've seen very few movies with lines as vividly memorable as "Mindless Butterflies").

I don't know about the movie as a whole, though - that whole bit with "hobbits are turning into Men" just freaked me out. I'm not sure if it was meant to be a happy ending for the kids (since they'd be aware that hobbits are not, in fact, around right now) but to me it was just spooky. "You'll be assimilated! Isn't that fun?"
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: October 16th, 2004 11:46 pm (UTC) (Link)
There may be some butterflies in the scene Sam's imagining, in which Rosie is apparently portrayed by Miss Piggy. Might cement it in. I love how the image on the screen always matches the lyrics pretty literally. Couldn't ask us kiddies to make a complex connection.

And I really loved how, in the middle of all the cheesy lyrics, suddenly, they'd incorporate some bit of Tolkien verbatim--"I can feel you grow stronger as we grow near to the fires in which you were forged!!!!" Uh, Sam...?

As to the "hobbits are becoming human"--yeah, it does come off a bit Borg-like, doesn't it? Probably trying the literalization of Tolkien's statement (in his letters) that hobbits are human, which I suspect he meant to mean, "Hobbits represent normal, average humans, while the great humans seen in LotR are a lost race of Great Men."
sonetka From: sonetka Date: October 16th, 2004 11:05 pm (UTC) (Link)
Do it! Whether you love it or hate it or are just amused to death by it, you won't be bored. A lot of libraries have it, if you don't quite feel like dropping five dollars at Blockbuster.
straussmonster From: straussmonster Date: October 16th, 2004 11:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
I have 13th Gen! Oh, memories, memories...
dramaturgy From: dramaturgy Date: October 17th, 2004 01:06 am (UTC) (Link)
Depending on whether anyone from harrypotters is on my personal f-list, maybe "Voldemort Can't Stop the Rock" by Harry and the Potters.

Ha. I'm a cheap wench, I only have the free mp3s they offer on the website.

The Rankin-Bass version of Return of the King.

Own it! If only to laugh for hours at Gollum's victory dance.
chienar From: chienar Date: October 17th, 2004 06:27 am (UTC) (Link)
Well you know I've been to Silver Lake and Letchworth park. But has anyone else ever been to Pisgah, WV?

I also have the Strauss and Howe book.

NEENER!
mrs_who From: mrs_who Date: October 17th, 2004 09:49 am (UTC) (Link)
Actually, we own all the Rankin-Bass Tolkein VHS tapes, I believe there are three... or four?? My kids would know. We also have quite a bit of Harry & The Potters on the computer, but haven't ever purchased their CDs.

azaelia_culnamo From: azaelia_culnamo Date: October 17th, 2004 03:55 pm (UTC) (Link)
Well... I admit, I did wonder if the Dog line in LoD wasn't a R/S reference - but I had a feeling it was unintentional.

However, I noticed myself that when writing, I've come across stuff that could be seen as shippy. For instance, when writing a scene where Tonks is injured, and Remus carries her home, I realized people would immediately cry "Remus/Sirius!" The catch is that in it, Tonks is about sixteen, and best friends with his little sister, so the romance is off limits. And I had a friend who got flamed because people thought her fic was getting too R/S, even though she hadn't meant it like that. (*Sigh* Not sure why people mind ships so much, but okay).
From: lnevans Date: October 17th, 2004 05:28 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh! I've been to Letchworth! My parents and I took a trip up through the North-east when I was about 6, and their favorite place was Letchworth. I don't remember it much, but I have been there! I've got a t-shirt from it, I think...doesn't exactly fit anymore, but what can you do? ...and I own the Voldemort Can't Stop the Rock CD.

And I don't like that Remus/Sirius has poisoned so many minds. One little reference to Remus wanting a puppy, and Wolfstar shippers are all over it. Why can't Remus just like the company of a completely, 100% canine companion?
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