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Spewing out too many words since November 2003
I'm glad cropped pants are temporarily in style, as they reach my ankles and therefore need no tailoring.

Seriously, I thought that I was having problems finding jeans of a normal human length because I am, not to put too fine a point on it, a beached whale. I figured someone in the great design department of life decided that something wide enough to fit my hips probably would have to be long. I'm not sure why, exactly, but, hey.

Today, however, I went to a bargain basement store which has one of those annoying communal fitting rooms. Beside me, two skinny women were trying on jeans... and complaining that they were all a few inches too long.

So, if it's not a waist-ratio thing... er, how long do designers think our legs are?
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miss_daizy From: miss_daizy Date: June 4th, 2005 04:48 pm (UTC) (Link)
Jeans are designed to fit no one, so we all feel inadequate. At 5' and ample, I have a heck of time. But then again, so does my tall, skinny daughter. And so does my properly proportioned younger daughter. So, I'm pretty sure it's a plot of some kind.

I can recommend LL Bean's Stone River jeans. They seem to fit right, come in lots of colors and were only 20 a pair.
duncatra From: duncatra Date: June 4th, 2005 04:54 pm (UTC) (Link)
I have the opposite problem - most pants are too short for me. And there are two talls for every dozen average or petite length - assuming the company in question even offers them. Like shopping for decent plus size clothing isn't hard enough. :P

And I hate the whole cropped thing. For the last few years they were called called capri's... And suddenly they're "cropped?" The hell? I'm not fooled, and I'm still not going anywhere near the things!
meredith_eats From: meredith_eats Date: June 4th, 2005 05:22 pm (UTC) (Link)
I dunno. I live in Japan, the land of shortness. I still can't find pants short enough.
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affabletoaster From: affabletoaster Date: June 4th, 2005 08:47 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: capris or cropped or whatever-they're-called-this-year

Exactly my attitude. I, too, think they look rather unflattering, but they're lifesavers here in Egypt, where as long as your knees are covered you don't get quite as hated. I still live out of my jeans, though. I just like being covered in general. *shrug* I don't do shorts unless I'm swimming.
nymphgalatea From: nymphgalatea Date: June 4th, 2005 05:34 pm (UTC) (Link)
I've found in Britain that designers make their clothes specifically for my small sister, who is five foot four, eight stone, the perfect size 8 (UK size) and everything fits her.

I think they make their clothes to fit that ONE body shape, and then simply scale up and down proportionally, which doesn't really work, as hip/waist size doesn't increase in direct proportion to your leg length.

Now what I'd like to find are button blouses that fit very small women with big busts and that don't go gappy. There are a lot of us in the world, and not all women with DD/E cup sizes have shoulders like WWF wrestlers.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 4th, 2005 05:38 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh, amen to the blouses. I've just given up anything with buttons. Also, whatever happened to a little extra length in the shirts. I'm long-waisted, and anything that's supposed to be waist-length ends up midriff-exposing if I move wrong.
honorh From: honorh Date: June 4th, 2005 05:49 pm (UTC) (Link)
Gah! No kidding! I just got a new pair of jeans, and they're so long I've actually got to cuff them. Fortunately, no one seems to notice. Maybe I'll start a trend. And the thing is, according to statistics, I'm absolutely, completely, and totally average for a woman in this country--5'5", size 14. So who are they making these jeans for?

And yes, it is impossible to find short lengths past size 14. Seems The Powers That Be have decided that if you've got big hips, you must be tall. They're the same people that decided if you have big boobs, you must be big all over.

They're evil. Evil, I tell you!
jenocclumency From: jenocclumency Date: June 4th, 2005 05:50 pm (UTC) (Link)
You've just hit upon my number one pet peeve with jeans. They're *always* too long.
I always figured that it was just because the supermodels are too tall, so the designers think that the rest of us are too.
Then again -- I'm only 5'4", and so I think that makes me shorter than the average woman(?) so it's no wonder pants are always too long for me.
honorh From: honorh Date: June 4th, 2005 05:54 pm (UTC) (Link)
The average woman in America is 5'5". I'm 5'5", and pants don't fit me. They don't make clothes for the average woman.
angua9 From: angua9 Date: June 4th, 2005 06:01 pm (UTC) (Link)
Not to defend the Evil Clothing Size Hegemony, because I truly hate them, but it is easier to take length off than it is to add it on.

I've been rolling the cuffs on my jeans and having my slacks shortened all my life. The cropped ones are a disaster for me... they fall too low to be cropped and too high to be full-length.
zoepaleologa From: zoepaleologa Date: June 4th, 2005 06:04 pm (UTC) (Link)
You need an equivalent to Marks and Spencer. They do trousers in three lengths, regardless of waist and hip size, which is helpful for shorter wider women (like me).

I hate to have to immediately alter clothing as soon as I have bought it. Their medium length leg is perfect for me - the short leg is for very small women.
beaustylo From: beaustylo Date: June 4th, 2005 06:13 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm 5'4" and I've had some luck with the petite length of Levi's 550 jeans. The trick is to buy them at a dept store instead of a Levi's store because the Levi's stores never carry petite length and they only seem to carry up to a size 12. However, the company does make their jeans, or at least some styles, in practically every size and shape. The other thing to be aware of in general is that a jeans size is one size smaller than whatever you normally wear.

Now, my issue is why they don't make nice looking dresses anymore. I have a horrible time dress shopping. The patterns and colors are often horrendous and the shapes and fabrics are only flattering to someone who's at least 5'7" and a size 0. Skirts seem to be getting better, at least there's some flare there, but the dresses with flared skirts are either skankily short or can only be worn to formal black tie events.
melyanna From: melyanna Date: June 4th, 2005 06:17 pm (UTC) (Link)
Amen to that! My mother's always after me to wear more dresses, but after she killed some time shopping with a much younger coworker one afternoon, she called me to thank me for not buying any of the dresses that are out there now. Skirts are getting better, though. Designers seem to have figured out that a woman with hips looks better in longer skirts.
melyanna From: melyanna Date: June 4th, 2005 06:13 pm (UTC) (Link)
Being someone who's tall and long-legged, I can't say I'm complaining about the length. ;) But the latest trends seem to be toward cutting things longer and longer. I used to have to order my jeans and slacks everywhere because I had to get tall sizes, and I don't anymore.

Sleeve length, on the other hand, is a nightmare for me. I've pretty much given up finsing shirts with sleeves that are long enough. Three-quarter and elbow-length sleeves were a real blessing for me.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 4th, 2005 06:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
Three-quarter and elbow-length sleeves were a real blessing for me.

Me, too, probably for the opposite reason. Three-quarter lengths reach my wrists just perfectly, and half-lengths aren't assumed to end at any special spot.
idleleaves From: idleleaves Date: June 4th, 2005 07:08 pm (UTC) (Link)

Oh yes. The cropped pants are ankle length on me, too. I'm five feet fuck-all, but I'm not a thin girl, so I still have a hell of a time finding pants.

But yeah, generally when people make clothes, they make a size 8, then they scale up and down. Though I don't know where this supposed perfect size 8 is, because nobody I know can find decent clothing very easily.
rabidfangurl From: rabidfangurl Date: June 4th, 2005 07:11 pm (UTC) (Link)
This is why I buy men's pants. Perfectly tailored everytime, because you can choose your own waist to inseam ratio.

Plus, pockets you can hide paperbacks in.
eir_de_scania From: eir_de_scania Date: June 4th, 2005 07:54 pm (UTC) (Link)
Seems to be an international problem... I'm of average length for my age-group (165 cm, around 50) but still have to look for the special shelves where they have "bigger sizes". I have no idea where the poor dears who really *big* sizes shop... :-(

I can find jeans, because there you can find different waist&leg combinations, but other trousers that fit my waist sweeps the floor, which may look good on a ball gown. Same for skirsts. And don't mention shirts... If they go round me, the sleeves are dangling somewhere at knee height.

Well, at least I have no problem in finding shoes ;-)

fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 4th, 2005 08:10 pm (UTC) (Link)
Well, at least I have no problem in finding shoes ;-)

I didn't used to, but *sniff*... I broke my foot last summer, and somehow or other, the size got warped, and sandals just don't fit me. I had to try on almost twenty pairs before I found one that didn't cut.
silverhill From: silverhill Date: June 4th, 2005 08:44 pm (UTC) (Link)
I have that same problem. I have to buy "short" pants even though I am not short. The reason is that they design the pants to be worn with 3" heels. So anyone wearing flat shoes has puddles of fabric around their ankles or has to find "short" pants.
amelia_eve From: amelia_eve Date: June 4th, 2005 09:36 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yes, this is what I keep reading about -- the super pricey designer jeans all have extra length to wear with tottering, pointy hooker shoes. I am old enough to have lived through flare legs the last time around, and although you can always shorten pants more easily than lengthen them, there's a proportion issue with anything that isn't straight legged. I went through high school wearing pants that flared from the ankle instead of the knee, unless I sewed them myself.

I'm no longer a fad-obsessed teen, and I don't really want anything that falls much below my belly button, but for the love of heaven, couldn't the quality outdoorsy clothiers at least go with a full-cut straight leg? I am not buying any more pegged jeans!
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