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Grrrr... - The Phantom Librarian
Spewing out too many words since November 2003
Shoot. I'm tracking footnotes on a chapter of a book I'm reading dealing with the father's role, and I found something I want to read about the "Esau complex"--being denied the father's blessing. There was a whole thesis about it.

Called "Das Ringen des Sohnes um den Segen des Vaters." The lovely babelfish informs me that this has something vaguely to do with the benediction of the father and the son's struggle for it. Apparently, it only exists as a thesis given at the Jung Institute in Zurich. And probably hasn't been put online. I'd be willing to slog through it with a dictionary and a grammar book and catch every seventeeth word, because I am now obsessive about this thing that I can't find, but I, er, can't find it. And honestly, would probably give up on trying to read a language I don't speak or understand pretty quickly anyway. But it's frustrating. It sounds like exactly what I want, but no one even appears to have referenced the complex to explain it in layman's terms.

Sigh. My life is full of sturm und drang. Whatever shall I do?
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liwy From: liwy Date: June 9th, 2005 05:54 pm (UTC) (Link)
Put out a call for someone who lives in or near Zurich to photocopy and scan a copy for you.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 9th, 2005 05:59 pm (UTC) (Link)
I thought about it, but I have a feeling it's pretty long, and digging around the Jung library is probably a rather time-intensive activity (you have to make appointments if you're not a student). And all so I can add a few notes for a SW essay? Not worth wasting someone else's time. My time, yeah... someone else's, not so much.
lucie_p From: lucie_p Date: June 9th, 2005 05:54 pm (UTC) (Link)
I cannot really help with this, of course, but if you ever need help with translating to or from German just give me a shout.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 9th, 2005 05:59 pm (UTC) (Link)
Thanks. :) I should really learn it if I plan to read psychology any deeper than I have.
dudley_doright From: dudley_doright Date: June 9th, 2005 06:42 pm (UTC) (Link)
No luck on Project Gutenberg, though I did find an interesting article by Wagner about various conductors (completely OT, I know). Do you have the author's name?
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 9th, 2005 06:58 pm (UTC) (Link)
M. Kuder. Thanks... really, though, I'll figure it out. :)
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fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 9th, 2005 08:38 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: Librarian Question

Yeah, I did the journal search, too.

I'd check cults, psychological aspects. Social psychology and its various subtopics is a huge field to check; you'd want to look at the subheadings to see what suits you.
coffeeklatsch From: coffeeklatsch Date: June 9th, 2005 09:15 pm (UTC) (Link)
Er... I'm actually from Zurich. :) And after a quick google-search I found this.

So, if you're really sturm und drang-y, why not contact him? ;-) Maybe he's got an English abstract of his thesis laying around somewhere.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 9th, 2005 09:30 pm (UTC) (Link)
Hey, there's a thought. :) I'd found another listing of that sort and seen the e-mail, but the thought of writing him just didn't occur to me!
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fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 9th, 2005 10:10 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh, I'm doing an essay for Saga Journal on the differing expectations of sons and brothers, and I found a neat little reference that I can't hold of, and I'm pouting. That's all. :)
rabidfangurl From: rabidfangurl Date: June 9th, 2005 10:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
In a possibly useful, possibly related note, have you tried reading Jacob I Have Loved? It deals with the Esau complex, even if it is a book about girls growing up in the Chesapeake and not boys being denied their father's blessing.

If this is research for fic, I love you forever.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 9th, 2005 10:11 pm (UTC) (Link)
It's for an essay, but everything I read works its way into fic eventually.
myf From: myf Date: June 10th, 2005 06:58 am (UTC) (Link)
OMG brilliant!

This is the neatest example of LJ-random I have ever come across. I read 'Jacob I have loved?' when I was younger, and I couldn't remember the title or author, or even much about the book except that it was set in the Chesapeake and was really evocative.

Yesterday the latest issue of National Geographic arrives, complete with an article of the pollution of the Chesapeake, and a really nifty map of the area. I was really interested as I never really had a good idea of the size/location of the Chesapeake (I'm Australian) and so I read the article and thought of that book I'd read probably 12 years ago, and wondered idly what it was called. And now you've told me!

Sorry - I'm blathering, but your comment made me sit up with excitement.
amelia_eve From: amelia_eve Date: June 10th, 2005 01:36 am (UTC) (Link)
Actually, cordelia_v recently rec'ed a lovely Bible fic by anneline on this topic, though Jacob gets most of the attention, as usual. The story is Israel + Flood & Creation, God, Jacob.

And my own anecdotal evidence suggests that when there are two brothers, the younger will do anything, even as an adult, to try to catch up with the older. I have a 46-year-old colleague who is still trying to catch up to his big brother and takes it out as an insane competitive streak with everyone in his life.
kizmet_42 From: kizmet_42 Date: June 10th, 2005 04:10 am (UTC) (Link)
Take a look at this book, The Blessing by Gary Smalley and see if it doesn't look suitable for your needs.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 10th, 2005 04:31 am (UTC) (Link)
I'll check that out. Thanks!
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