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Spewing out too many words since November 2003
My random little ideas
Okay, we all have odd thoughts. Very odd ones from time to time. Some theories are sensible (many dealing with our Monogram Man), but some are just random things that come into our heads for no reason.

Narcissa the Death Eater. No, I don't think it's doofy that she's a DE--she was present for Draco's assignment and knows the rules of it, and I doubt Voldemort invites random proud mothers to such events. But no, while reading the account of the battle between the Order and the DEs at Hogwarts, there's a large, blonde DE mentioned several times, unnamed while all the others are named, and I said, "Huh--that must be Narcissa under some kind of make-her-into-a-big-brawny-man spell. Or maybe a potion. Yup."

Regulus Black was killed by Fenrir. Just thinking about the timing and the question of Remus as the spy. I've never thought that would come into play--it was just a thing to toss out to explain it--but if most werewolves were on Voldie's side and Sirius's brother was killed by a werewolf attack, he might not have been keen on trusting Remus, especially if, for some reason, Remus couldn't account for himself, or had a similar assignment in the first war to the one he had during HBP.

Remus does do bad, bad things. He says he's had to do things he wouldn't normally do to fit in. Has he killed to fit in? And both times the attack on the little Montgomery boy are mentioned, it's "rumored" to be Greyback, but what if... No, that's too terrible. But I can't get it out of my head that it's possible, especially given Tonks's level of worry about him that month. I think JKR means it to be Greyback, though. I can't see her giving Remus that complex a plot for the final installment. Then again, I couldn't see her actually giving him a love life.

12, GP is a horcrux. Odd little thought, but what if the creepy factor of the place isn't entirely Black family related. What if Reg tried to destroy the Horcrux there, and the soul-bit escaped and became part of the house?

Anyway, those are my weird and out-there ideas for the day. Those aren't serious predictions or beliefs about the canon, just ideas that popped into my head, which I'm incapable of not sharing, since I have a LiveJournal, and I think the requirement to share weird ideas as they pop into one's head is somewhere in the Terms of Service or something.
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ashtur From: ashtur Date: July 23rd, 2005 01:06 am (UTC) (Link)
Maybe not the entire house... but it moved into the piccy of Momma...So, it was a cross of Momma Black and Voldie :) Mommamort!
persephone_kore From: persephone_kore Date: July 23rd, 2005 01:07 am (UTC) (Link)
"Okay, I haven't got another basilisk fang handy... maybe turpentine."
dalf From: dalf Date: July 23rd, 2005 01:10 am (UTC) (Link)
Ok 12 GP as a Horcrux .... I don't think its going to be in Cannon but what a delightfully creepy idea. Makes me wish JKR was reading LJ because I can't imagine many other people have thought of it. ;P

I am opposed to the Remus doing stuff too bad. Even in yoru little cookie with the eating of the "meat" was a bit too much for me. My impression of when Remus quite his job in PoA was that he would rather die than do some things and not even Dumbldor (assuming that dumbledor wouldever ask someon to do that) could convince him to do otherwise. Even RISKING changining anotehr person I think is too much for Remus. Honestly I think he woudl rather let voldemort win than do that.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: July 23rd, 2005 01:30 am (UTC) (Link)
I tend to think you're right about that, though if it turns out he was actually asking Snape to kill him, then all bets are off on what he might ask Remus to do. Though if he asked Snape to do something really horrible but let Lupin off the hook, that might play into Snape's continuing intense hate of Lupin.
dalf From: dalf Date: July 23rd, 2005 04:08 am (UTC) (Link)
Asking someone to kill YOU to save someone else (and in a situation where you are going to die anyway) is quite a diffrent thing than asking someone to kill an innocenet eprson who has not asked to die and is not going to die in another event and is likley defensless.

Dunno .... if that was the case it would leave me asking myself about the diffrences between DD/Remus and Barty Crouch Sr. ..... a distinction that I think DD saw at least. Think of the feeling you had in HBP when you though (assuming you thought) that Harry had given the luck potion to Ron inorder to cheat. Multiply that feeling a few thousand times.
scarah2 From: scarah2 Date: July 23rd, 2005 01:23 am (UTC) (Link)
I've always thought Narcissa was in the club. I had no real reason for thinking this in GoF except that Harry says something to Draco about his parents in masks, and Draco answers back continuing the "they" pronoun. Then in OotP, she gave information directly to Voldemort. A trophy wife would have given it to Lucius so he could take the credit. And now, yes, you're right, she's spoken directly to Voldemort about the plan with Draco.

I like the Fenrir thing, except for one thing: Sirius seems to not be too up to speed on the details. He says that Regulus was killed by Voldemort, or more likely one of his Death Eaters since he wasn't important enough to warrant a personal execution from LV. If he was killed by a werewolf and Sirius doesn't know it, it doesn't add to the suspicion of Remus.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: July 23rd, 2005 01:29 am (UTC) (Link)
Oh, good flaw in that theory. I assumed he'd long since figured out it wasn't Remus, but he'd probably have been more certain of who it was if it were a werewolf kill.
From: gunderpants Date: July 23rd, 2005 01:29 am (UTC) (Link)
Hey, I'm all sweet for Remus to be tehomgbad. That would be awesome. Not as awesome as Dung impersonating a zombie, but awesome nonetheless.

Regulus was killed by a werewolf? Man, I need to read HBP well better.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: July 23rd, 2005 01:32 am (UTC) (Link)
No, like I said, totally random thought, and a good argument is made against it above. I don't like the thought particularly, nor do I like the thought of Remus running around eating people in order to fit in. I just can't write it off as clearly as I'd like to!
kismeteve From: kismeteve Date: July 23rd, 2005 08:03 am (UTC) (Link)
Well, I don't think Remus would consciously eat someone, but if he is travelling with Greyback and his group, who specifically position themselves to cause damage, isn't it plausible that Remus could get caught up in the frenzy while being changed? From what I gather of the way lycanthropy works in the HP-verse (from the prank), Remus wouldn't be in control of his actions /able to withdraw from an attack while changed.
meredith_eats From: meredith_eats Date: July 23rd, 2005 02:26 am (UTC) (Link)
I've been wondering about Mrs. Black's very vituperative portrait. I assume she had it made near her death? Which was 10 years before OotP? So didn't she die thinking Sirius was actually the bestest death eater ever?

And eek! Grimmaul Place with a piece of Voldemort's soul in it? That's the start of a very creepy story about the house turning against someone left alone inside it. Based on the behavior of the diary, it sounds like a soul fragment is sort of sentient...
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: July 23rd, 2005 02:37 am (UTC) (Link)
Well, looking at the new portrait in the Headmaster's office, I'd have to conclude that the portraits spontaneously appear rather than being done before the subject dies. Which is odd. Maybe they arrange it by magic earlier. But they don't seem to be fixed with the knowledge that the subject had at the moment of death.
sixth_light From: sixth_light Date: July 23rd, 2005 03:28 am (UTC) (Link)
Portraits spontaneously appear? But didn't we see Dumbledore's portrait leaning against his desk or something in OoTP, ready to be hung up when he died? I swear we did. No copy of OoTP with me, though, so I can't prove it.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: July 23rd, 2005 03:53 am (UTC) (Link)
Huh, you might be right. It sounds familiar, now that you mention it. So it already exists (possibly in more than one place, for those very famous wizards), and upon death, the personality enters it, and it flies up onto the wall?
sixth_light From: sixth_light Date: July 23rd, 2005 04:12 am (UTC) (Link)
That seems to work. Although it raises some interesting questions about what exactly animates a portrait - is it a sort of shadow of someone's soul? It's almost tempting to say a piece of it, but after the whole Horcrux thing that is off the table.

Portraits are seeming more and more like something JKR put in because she thought it would be cool, and the fans are now over-analysing. Then again, that's half the fun.
laureate05 From: laureate05 Date: July 23rd, 2005 04:27 am (UTC) (Link)
And what makes portraits different from wizard photographs? Or ghosts? Or artificial intelligence?
laureate05 From: laureate05 Date: July 23rd, 2005 04:20 am (UTC) (Link)
I am sort of with you on Remus doing Very Bad Things. It kinda fits with my theory of his and Tonks's relationship. The bare bones of my theory are this: the started off all friendly like the summer before Harry's fifth year, things progressed into mooshy territory, they were shaken but not broken by Sirius's death, and then Something Very Bad happened and he decided to put an end to the moosh with a quickness. I figure the moosh had to be reaching critical mass for Tonks to be so upset by its end, and that Something Very Bad Indeed would have had to happen for Remus to dump her, and I don't think the SVBI was Sirius dying.

I was thinking the SVBI was probably Remus's assignment with the werewolves. It'd be kind of a smack in the face to him. Like, "haha, you're one of them, and they eat 5-year-olds!" But it's possible that he was shaken not by the assignment alone, but by what he had to do to carry it out. I have doubts that he was into toddler devouring, but he may have had to bite a person or eat a puppy or maybe kill another werewolf to cement his place in the pack.

*shrug* That's my drunken two bits anyway.
rikibeth From: rikibeth Date: July 23rd, 2005 03:25 pm (UTC) (Link)
I like your theory #1, and I was also thinking along the lines of #3 as I was reading. It should come as no surprise (since I'm primarily a Snape fan and apologist that I'm a big sucker for "person working ultimately for good must consciously perform dreadful actions."

Heck, it shouldn't be a surprise considering where I got one of my fic titles -- the fic is "Nemesis," and while the general meaning of vengeance personified fits, I was taking it from the Shriekback song of the same name, and thinking in particular of the line "we are not monsters, we're moral people, and yet we have the strength to do this."

I'd LOVE it if we find out in the next book that it WAS Remus.

Meanwhile... plot bunny!
iulia_linnea From: iulia_linnea Date: July 24th, 2005 05:55 am (UTC) (Link)
GP is a horcrux. Odd little thought, but what if the creepy factor of the place isn't entirely Black family related. What if Reg tried to destroy the Horcrux there, and the soul-bit escaped and became part of the house

What if Regulus tried to destroy the Horcrux there, and the soul fragment went into Kreacher?
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: July 24th, 2005 05:58 am (UTC) (Link)
iulia_linnea From: iulia_linnea Date: July 24th, 2005 06:03 am (UTC) (Link)

It's late here; I'm just having random bouts of weirdness. :) I like the idea about the fragment going into the house, though.
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