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More Remus scar ranting. - The Phantom Librarian
Spewing out too many words since November 2003
More Remus scar ranting.
I really hate the PoA movie for the introduction of those bloody facial scars on Remus. I hate them. Viscerally and totally irrationally, mainly because unlike most of the other slaughtered movie portrayals, they've caught on. If Remus had scars on his face, Harry would have mentioned them. He talks about his own scar, he talks about Moody's scars, he talks about Bill's new scars. He tells us about Remus's ever-more-gray hair and his prematurely lined face. This isn't a character we don't have descriptions of, and facial scars are a point that Harry tends to note (maybe because he's facially scarred himself). And I have a horrible feeling that JK might pick them up in book 7 because so many people are drawing them, but they drive me up the goddamned wall.

Now, I'm not criticizing the artwork of the people who draw him with scars. There are so many brilliant artists in this fandom that I feel spoiled to watch you all. This is just a tic that's spread like the Black Death, and it drives me crazy. However, if it's a choice between Remus art with scars and no Remus art, I'll bite my lip and ignore the scars. 'Cause even the best artists are drawing with them. I just can't figure out why.

That's all. Just occasional venty-ness.

I feel a bit...: annoyed ranty

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victorialupin From: victorialupin Date: August 4th, 2005 06:25 pm (UTC) (Link)
I actually saw a great deal of Remus scars in fanon before PoA. I think the movie just pushed the angle even more, and people could now say that they had at least some evidence to back it up.

I think it bothers me more that I can't figure out the logic behind it rather than that scars are never described in canon. I mean, didn't any of these authors or artists realize that if Remus had great, noticable scars all over his face it might be a bit more difficult to keep the werewolf thing a secret?
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: August 4th, 2005 06:31 pm (UTC) (Link)
Well, yeah. Although the logic of the thing is still based on the fact that they're never mentioned. Even if Harry hadn't noticed, Draco makes a point of complaining about the state of the guy's robes all the time. If there were big scars... they'd have been mentioned.
darkeyedwolf From: darkeyedwolf Date: August 4th, 2005 06:33 pm (UTC) (Link)
God, word. You, ah, don't know me -- a belated hello! your fics are brilliant :)) -- but I have a deep loathing for scarred!Remus, particularly when his face is covered in them and eyes are drawn in as an afterthought. IT'S NOT CANON. Harry couldn't not notice something like that. Draw Remus however you'd like, you have artistic license and everything, but this sudden mindset of "it's not Remus without a horribly tragic face disfigurement" drives me up the bloody wall.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: August 4th, 2005 06:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
Hi, and thanks! :)

Other characters are drawn recognizably without such crutches--most of us know a version of Neville on sight, and Hermione's bushy hair is usually enough to identify her. As far as I know, Lupin's the only person described with "graying" hair (as opposed to either gray or some color), which is equally identifying. Heck, until Tonks's mousy-brown phase, he was the only one described with light brown hair, as far as I remember. (Maybe Cedric? But whether a pic is of Remus or Cedric should be clear from context.) And even more... you just know a Remus when you see one, just like Neville.

I don't mind some visual additions from the movies. The scarves are cute. I mind this one because it doesn't make sense.
chocolatepot From: chocolatepot Date: August 4th, 2005 06:39 pm (UTC) (Link)
Maybe because he's so normal-looking, the scars are sort of contrasting with his normality?

I don't know. I just always have to try to figure out the reasons.
mamadeb From: mamadeb Date: August 4th, 2005 06:42 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm sure that's why they did it in the movie. Not so much his normality as his mildness. He looks like a poverty stricken old-fashioned private school teacher, but those scars (and I have to say, it took me half the film to even notice them) show that he's...other.

Movies need visual clues. Fanart does not. Fic, even less.
idleleaves From: idleleaves Date: August 4th, 2005 06:39 pm (UTC) (Link)
I don't so much mind movie!Remus' scars, though I agree that it's something that Harry would have noticed and mentioned. I know that it's a fanon and movie thing rather than a canon thing.

But it does annoy me when he's so covered in them that the rest of his face is just about hidden. If they're there, I'd like them to be like they were in the film: noticeable, but not his primary facial feature.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: August 4th, 2005 06:42 pm (UTC) (Link)
If they're even noticeably there, we'd have heard about it in PoA. It's the logic, as Victoria says, that makes baby werepups cry.
mamadeb From: mamadeb Date: August 4th, 2005 06:46 pm (UTC) (Link)
I do not like the facial scars. I've said this. Remus pretty much has to have body scars - unless you posit that werewolves head completely from all wounds not caused by silver. However, why would his face be scarred? And who would do it? Fenrir?

(BTW, I'm not sold on the idea that Potterverse werewolves are sensitive to silver. He seemed to use Sirius' family silver with no problems, and silver gets into food. Wine left in a silver cup will taste funny during the course of a meal. However, there is plenty of doubt on that score and I have no trouble buying it in stories.)
sophonax From: sophonax Date: August 4th, 2005 06:51 pm (UTC) (Link)
There are some traditions that werewolves are only sensitive to silver when transformed, and that in their human form they can use silver as normally as any other human. I would buy that either in a fic or in canon (though I really really hope that nothing happens to Remus in canon!)
meneathiel From: meneathiel Date: August 4th, 2005 06:47 pm (UTC) (Link)

I like them

I think they added to his character visually. There are so many other book/movie related horrors this one doesn't even register with me. In fact until he turned into the werewolf I thought the movie version was perfect.

But rant away, it's good for you. :)
sonetka From: sonetka Date: August 4th, 2005 07:00 pm (UTC) (Link)
I also dislike the scars; it's got a "See! See! He's *really different*" aspect that I didn't like. (Also didn't like the fact that in the movie it was blatantly obvious that Lupin's Boggart was a full moon, but that's for another time).

If he does turn up with scars in book 7, I'll justify it to myself by saying he must have gotten them while spying on Fenrir & Co. Something tells me that Fenrir likes to play rough even with other adult werewolves.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: August 4th, 2005 07:06 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh, yeah. Probably with the kids in his company, too. It depends on how much of a pack they really are--it could be that they just transform together or whatnot. If they are a pack, wolves who remembered the social structure probably wouldn't be in particular danger, though there'd be a lot of posturing. Remus, as an outsider and a potential challenger, could conceivably get a lot worse.
From: psalm_27 Date: August 4th, 2005 07:18 pm (UTC) (Link)
I do try not to voice my complaints about PoA, mostly because I love David Thewlis and I feel like if I complain its taken as a criticism of him, which its not. In addition to the scars, I did not care for the characterisation of Remus in the movie. The only scene that I thought did canon!Remus any justice was the scene in the DADA classroom after Harry is caught with the map after hours. And that werewolf...Oi vey.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: August 4th, 2005 09:04 pm (UTC) (Link)
I think Thewlis was a bit too old for the part (not as much too old as Oldman and Rickman, but still too old) and he doesn't look at all like the Remus Lupin who lives in my brain (it's always jarring to me when I see him in the part, because the distance is so large between what I see in my head and what shows up on the screen), but neither of those things are things for which Thewlis himself is responsible. He did a very decent job with what he was given, and there's no special fault to be found in his performance.
author_by_night From: author_by_night Date: August 4th, 2005 07:37 pm (UTC) (Link)
Between the scars and the pitful facial expressions, I almost feel like Kloves might as well have had Remus go "feel sorry for me. Wah!"
frit From: frit Date: August 4th, 2005 08:05 pm (UTC) (Link)
Hmm. I never really thought about this before but you have a valid point in my opinion. Harry would certainly have mentioned it had Remus had scars on his face and I'm sure he would have talked about it with Ron and Hermione, trying to figure out what they were. Interesting.

Things like this, that I know will irritate me, are why I don't participate in fandom. :P
sannalim From: sannalim Date: August 4th, 2005 08:14 pm (UTC) (Link)
And I have a horrible feeling that JK might pick them up in book 7 because so many people are drawing them, but they drive me up the goddamned wall.
As a result of some tangle with Greyback, perhaps?
persephone_kore From: persephone_kore Date: August 4th, 2005 09:14 pm (UTC) (Link)
I have this sudden, horrible mental image of Greyback saying "Got your nose!"

...I decline to go into detail.
coralia13 From: coralia13 Date: August 4th, 2005 09:29 pm (UTC) (Link)
I happen to agree with you completely. A happy thought: I think JKR's mental images of the characters is totally unaffected by the fandom. She's even said that when she thinks of her characters, she doesn't think of the actors from the films, but the images she's had in her mind since the beginning. If the films can't affect her (as they have certainly affected me), then fandom drawings probably won't, either.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: August 4th, 2005 09:46 pm (UTC) (Link)
True. And the one fan artist she's mentioned (Laura Freeman, whose pics she apparently used as wallpaper) as drawing the Marauders almost as she sees them doesn't draw scarred!Remus.
rabidtolkienfan From: rabidtolkienfan Date: August 5th, 2005 12:21 am (UTC) (Link)
I never used to draw Remus with scars, and I always wondered why others did... I think I even went and re-read the canon to see if it was mentioned anywhere...
I'm not entirely sure when (or why) I started drawing the scars, but I have trouble picturing him without them now- nearly every fic and piece of artwork I see has scarred!Remus...
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: August 5th, 2005 12:38 am (UTC) (Link)
Well, I promise you will never ever see them in my fics. :)
dalf From: dalf Date: August 5th, 2005 12:24 am (UTC) (Link)
I did not even notice teh scars on my firat watch of the movie. They just seemed to blend in and fit with his face. Maybe that is why Harry would not mention them, they just sort of blend in.

Plus .... scars make him so much more heroic did'nt you hear Fluer? O:-)
is_peoples From: is_peoples Date: August 5th, 2005 01:10 am (UTC) (Link)
The scars never bothered me in the movie. They were subtle, and were an easier "hint" than directing Thewlis to look vaguely and cyclically ill. But it irritates me to no end that they've been adopted by fanon. It would be like everyone suddenly drawing brown-haired Dursleys.

But so far my major and unrivalled movie disappointment was Columbus turning Diagon Alley into the set from Wizarding Oliver!. Cuaron got points for a Wizarding Britain that looked different from Muggle Britain, but still like it could be a real place. Of course, he then lost those points for the werewolf, so... I don't know.

*shuts up now*
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