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Question: I got the following review on chapter 5 of "Of A Sort"… - The Phantom Librarian
Spewing out too many words since November 2003

I got the following review on chapter 5 of "Of A Sort" this morning--
Um... love the fic, but Andromeda was supposed to be a Ravenclaw. It's stated somewhere in the books- I'm sure- or JKR confirmed it. Oh well.

Now, I know it's not in the books; I've scoured them for all Tonks refs. But I'm not fanatical about chats, interviews, etc. I asked at SQ on Canon Quick-Check, and I searched through the entire Quote Research thread. I googled "Andromeda Ravenclaw Rowling" and came up with plenty of pages on which all three words were used, but none in which the first two concepts were related to one another in any way. I also checked the Lexicon (no Tonks mentions at all) and another site that examines all the characters via their names, and came up with zip associating any of the with Ravenclaw. But it's such a specific thing to say, so it must have some originating point, at least--does anyone have the first idea where that comes from?

(Hoping it's wrong, as I don't want to re-write and like GryffAndromeda, but more than willing to admit that I don't know every single interview Rowling has done.)
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riibu From: riibu Date: June 4th, 2004 07:28 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm (almost) certain that there's no mention of Andromeda's House anywhere in OotP or in Rowling's interviews.

And I'm usually reading Rowling chat interviews etc. with much enthusiasm, in search of new tidbits.

I know there has been discussion on message boards about the Houses of the Black sisters, but as far as I know it's only speculation. What we know about the Black sisters is that Bellatrix was a Slytherin (because of Sirius's comment in GoF about Snape's Slytherin DE-to-be friends), but the Houses of the other two sisters remain unknown to date.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 4th, 2004 08:12 am (UTC) (Link)
Yeah. Even Slyth!Bella is in the extremely likely but not absolutely certain category. (Though I am personally, absolutely certain.)

I'm glad that someone who's into the interviews and such also hasn't heard anything about this.
narcissam From: narcissam Date: June 4th, 2004 08:29 am (UTC) (Link)
No. Slyth!Bella is sure. GoF lists Mrs. Lestrange as one of the gang of Slytherins, remember?

fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 4th, 2004 08:32 am (UTC) (Link)
Oh, Sirius's listing, right--I had forgotten that. I knew she was a DE, but I couldn't remember if there was a specific statement that she had been in the "gang of Slytherins" or if it was just a fanon assumption, so I hedged my bet. ;) But if Sirius says it, I'll take it. Not like I can imagine Bella not being a Slyth!
narcissam From: narcissam Date: June 4th, 2004 08:33 am (UTC) (Link)
Actually, I'd always thought if it wasn't for that statement she'd make a really lovely Hufflepuff. Loyal, y'know. :-)

ashtur From: ashtur Date: June 4th, 2004 08:39 am (UTC) (Link)

Um... I dunno, Bella's sense of "fair play" seems to be a bit lacking to be a Puff :)

Oh, and actually, I don't read canon as being closed door on Slyth Bella either. You can argue it's closed door on Rodulphus and Rabastan, but Bella wasn't a Lestrange yet at that point.

That being said, I'd put good money on her being a Slyth :) Just not settled with a canon-ball.
narcissam From: narcissam Date: June 4th, 2004 09:11 am (UTC) (Link)
No, it says "the Lestranges, they're a married couple" there. Rabastan actually isn't settled.

ashtur From: ashtur Date: June 4th, 2004 09:23 am (UTC) (Link)

mea culpa, mea maxima culpa

Hm, ok. Point to you :) I'd forgotten the married couple thing. I SUPPOSE if you really wanted to, you could argue that it's actually a reference to Rabastan's wife, and write a big fic on why we don't see her. It wouldn't be impossible, but would be a severe stretch :)

I should have known better than to question anything that you (of all people) said on that generation of DE's :)

I think I'll go back to hiding with my 'Puffs.
gehayi From: gehayi Date: June 4th, 2004 07:48 am (UTC) (Link)
It's just fanon. The houses of the Black sisters haven't been mentioned yet...nor, for that matter, has Regulus'. Reg, Bella and Narcissa usually get put in Slytherin, since they are darker characters (two DEs and one married to a DE). Since Sirius was in Gryffindor and since it's popularly supposed that Blacks were NEVER put in Gryffindor, this generally eliminates Gryffindor from consideration for Andromeda. That leaves Ravenclaw and Hufflepuff. Draco's dismissal of Hufflepuff puts Hufflepuff out of consideration for Andromeda. Ravenclaw, with its emphasis on learning and academic excellence (though, admittedly, not a house noted for vast numbers of purebloods), gets Andromeda by default. It is not Slytherin, which allows Andromeda's parents to be somewhat disappointed...but it is marginally acceptable, which prevents Andromeda from going through the recriminations that Sirius is supposed to have endured from his parents after being placed in Gryffindor.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 4th, 2004 08:15 am (UTC) (Link)
Thanks. I hadn't heard that particular fanon before this morning--most of the speculation I'd heard was whether she was a rebellious Slytherin or a Gryff before Sirius was (I hadn't heard the idea that Sirius was the first Black Gryffindor), though I've seen her as a Puff--so it seemed to be coming out of the blue (which was why I thought it might have come out of a new and/or obscure JKR interview). I'm glad to know the speculative basis of it.
narcissam From: narcissam Date: June 4th, 2004 08:37 am (UTC) (Link)
What's with the common assumption that the pureblood families would be shocked to have a kid wind up in Gryffindor, anyway?

Or with the assumption that 1970s Gryffindor was all egalitarian and completely rid of any pureblood ideology, for that matter.

fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 4th, 2004 08:44 am (UTC) (Link)
There certainly seem to be a number of purebloods in Gryffindor--James is also a pureblood, all the Weasleys (all Gryffs) are purebloods, Neville's a pureblood, Parvati appears to be a pureblood.

Now, there is the CoS suggestion that Houses other than Slytherin, for historical reasons, would be more accepting of Muggle-borns, but it's a stretch to go from "more accepting" to "totally cool with it." Given Molly, who we know to be Gryffindor (she was lectured by the Fat Lady when she came back late), Gryffindors would be as leary of (and clueless about) "the outside" as anyone else.
narcissam From: narcissam Date: June 4th, 2004 08:30 am (UTC) (Link)
Oh, I must be really messed up. I have Regulus in Hufflepuff.

fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 4th, 2004 08:33 am (UTC) (Link)
Heh--that works! He's pretty much going along with his family, Hufflepuff community. And if all Pure-bloods think of Hufflepuff the way Draco does, he'd have something to prove to them as well.
neotoma From: neotoma Date: June 4th, 2004 11:12 pm (UTC) (Link)
What I don't get is why Andromeda *can't* be a Slytherin. She married a Muggleborn, but that only means she rejected her family's Pureblooded superiority; she could still be ambitious and clever.

fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 5th, 2004 04:47 am (UTC) (Link)
Right--that was actually a plausible argument, that she was in Slytherin like a good little Black, and it really wasn't until her marriage that the family became outraged at her at all. I like her in Gryffindor, but I think a decent case can be made for Slytherin as well.
narcissam From: narcissam Date: June 4th, 2004 08:11 am (UTC) (Link)
Oh lord. I'm sending Andromeda to *Durmstrang*. I can't wait to see the response from these sort of people.

fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 4th, 2004 08:16 am (UTC) (Link)
Durmstrang? Cool. :)
riibu From: riibu Date: June 4th, 2004 08:27 am (UTC) (Link)
Hey, why not. That's creative!
mafdet From: mafdet Date: June 4th, 2004 09:45 am (UTC) (Link)
Congratulations. You've fallen afoul of fanon. It seems to be the new fanon convention that Andromeda was in Ravenclaw -but there is no mention in canon anywhere of Andromeda's House.

It's a fair bet (though not absolutely proven) that both Bellatrix and Narcissa were Slytherins - Narcissa because of Draco's remark in PS/SS that "all" of his family were in Slytherin, and Bellatrix because of Sirius' mention in GoF of her and the rest of Snape's gang. When Draco mentioned his "family," I'm sure he meant his mum and dad and maybe his grandparents - eleven-year-old boys don't bother with tracing the family tree. "Family" meant immediate family.

FWIW, I put Andromeda in Gryffindor. I think that the whole idea that Slytherin parents would be appalled that a child of theirs is in Gryffindor is more fanon. I think the basis for this is the enmity between Draco and the Trio. We know also that Ron and Hermione don't want to be in Slytherin, but Ron no doubt wants to be in his "family house" and Hermione must have learned that Muggle-borns aren't welcome in Slytherin.

The books are so Harry-centric that we have to remember not all characters are going to share his sentiments. As you wrote in Of a Sort, Bill Weasley might well have had friends in all the Houses. In the Bill/Charlie/Tonks post-war era, I bet that the Houses saved their enmity for the Quidditch pitch.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 4th, 2004 09:56 am (UTC) (Link)
This is my first encounter ever with RavenDromeda--that's the one house I hadn't seen bandied about before I left the discussion threads for full time fanfic.


fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 4th, 2004 09:57 am (UTC) (Link)
I do think that the Blacks might be, if not appalled, disappointed in a placement outside of Slytherin... not necessarily because "Ew, it's Gryffindor," but because, as with the Weasleys and Gryff, they probably simply expect Slytherin.
mafdet From: mafdet Date: June 4th, 2004 11:13 am (UTC) (Link)
I would guess the same - a child who was placed "outside of Slytherin" might get an "I'm so disappointed" reaction, maybe even a Howler. However, it seems to be fanon that being sorted into Gryffindor (or Slytherin, in Gryffindor families) means being disowned. I think that's just a bit extreme.
erised1810 From: erised1810 Date: June 4th, 2004 01:56 pm (UTC) (Link)
I for one probalb yene dto read discussiosn better becasue this next question mght be answered arlead ybutis ther anyh objections-coutenr arguemntn to place andromeda in gryffindor? she "Felt"/"soudned" gryff to me and (either someone said it here or not yet) I jsut wanto know it works out not havign her in slytheir nand not i ngryffidnor either .perhaps it'sthe thning wher I don't rememver anyeon exaclt ysaign that al lthe black escept sirius were in slytherin. she coudl bea reble oen for al lwe know.
kikei From: kikei Date: June 7th, 2004 11:15 am (UTC) (Link)
Hey, I write Slytherin! Andromeda by default, so... really, I don't think it matters. She could have been anything, but what makes me think she was in Slytherin was that her scandal of marrying Ted is mentioned, but for Sirius, one of the worst things he did is to have been in the wrong house... I think it might have been mentioned if she wasn't. then again, they might have thought that was very tame compared to her marriage... so she could have been almost anywhere, I think.

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