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Meme, Half-Blood Prince - The Phantom Librarian
Spewing out too many words since November 2003
Meme, Half-Blood Prince
Klepted from cadenza622:

You're New Brunswick. You're a very easygoing
person. You're easy to please and not very
demanding. You're seldom the target of much
mockery or scorn.
When you are, it's never very serious. It's smooth
sailing for you.

What Canadian Province Are You?
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Hmmm. I have no idea what that means.

More on l'affaire du titre*, in which I'm growing moderately interested, if not actively excited yet. Half-blood prince. I rather like webbapettigrew's not entirely unexpected candidate for princedom. He was conspicuously absent from OotP, and Harry has to deal with him sooner or later.

*Because I couldn't just write "The affair of the title." No. That would be All Wrong. :p Given that I used BabelFish, I think I may be referring to an affair of a chemistry process involving testing an element to identify it, but hey.

Contemporary Candidates
I think we can safely assume that "prince" implies a male character, which takes Tonks and Luna out of the running. Half-blood removes identified pure-bloods, like any Weasleys and Theodore Nott (who is referred to as "just as pure-blood as [Draco] is"). Neville is also identified as a pure-blood on several occasions, with Dumbledore even drawing that distinction in his last conversation with Harry in OotP (Voldemort chose half-blood Harry over pure-blood Neville).

I don't like the Hagrid theory, just because it means more Hagrid. I can't make any arguments against it, and it's clear that Rowling likes Hagrid more than I do, and if it's the case, it's the case.

Viktor: Yes, I'm the only one I've seen bring up his name so far, but I'll answer this raging rumor--:)--anyway. Possible. We know nothing about the Bulgarian government setup. Likely? No.

Seamus: I don't think he has the weight as a character to pull it off, but maybe the beginning of his development in OotP is a start?

Dean: Left in the best position for a radically increased role in book 6, which I think is likely to happen, but if his background isn't going to make it into the books, the chances of his being the HPB are pretty small.

Remus: Eh. I think it would be one too many things to put on Remus, much as I'd like to hear more about him. He's already a mentor, probably a new guardian, an old friend, etc. Of course, there could be the ironic contrast factor, with his repeatedly noted poverty and his status as an outcast. Possible.

I think both Remus and Viktor (and Peter, for that matter) have the CoS business going against them. She said there was information she cut from that book, but there's no reason that such information about those characters would have been there in the first place. Of course, that information may not have been about the identity of the HPB.

Dumbledore: It's long been my theory that Dumbledore would die in Book 6, and it's more than possible that he's a half-blood. A book titled for a person could easily be one in which he dies. But it just doesn't feel right to me.

Historical Candidates
Godric Gryffindor: Okay, yes. I'm devoted to the notion of half-blood!Godric, which hasn't even a hint in canon. And I like the idea of him being a noble. And he lived when there could conceivably have been an actual system of royalty in the wizarding world, or a competing system of royalty in the Muggle world. It's his sword that Harry uses, his hat that figures as a prominent character, and his nature (the true Gryffindor) that seems to be a burning question in CoS, so that information could easily have been something she toyed with putting in and opted ultimately to hold for book 6. It would have had a place there. Mitigating against? Why in the world would Harry be spending a whole book dealing with someone who's been dead for a thousand years? Of course, it would be totally interesting to find out.

Salazar Slytherin: I just don't think it's likely. We got Salazar's history in CoS; it seems more likely that it was someone else's which was cut.

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persephone_kore From: persephone_kore Date: June 29th, 2004 09:22 am (UTC) (Link)
Well, we got some of Salazar's history. For him to be the "half-blood prince" we'd certainly have to see the "and pureblood like himself" line from the hat re-addressed, though. He and Godric, however, like Hagrid, have the advantage of having enough to do with the main plot of CoS that it's imaginable they could have had enough to get into the title without... I don't know... rearranging everything else quite as completely as would seem necessary to make the "prince" Lupin or Viktor or Pettigrew.

But I suppose it depends on just how far from the original idea it got. And assumes the prince would have been the same person both times.

I'd love to get more Founder-stuff, though. ...Yii, more incentive to write my own faster, too. Eep.
persephone_kore From: persephone_kore Date: June 29th, 2004 09:32 am (UTC) (Link)
The Wizengamot thing does make me wonder if it's related to, what's the word, aethelings? King-worthy? If I understand correctly, kings in the area and time of the Founders or a little before would have been part of certain families but not necessarily in direct line; there were a lot of candidates... Bother, I need to read more history.
anaid_rabbit From: anaid_rabbit Date: June 29th, 2004 09:26 am (UTC) (Link)
I personally vote for more founders background, so Salazar or Godric, yes.
sreya From: sreya Date: June 29th, 2004 09:31 am (UTC) (Link)
Why in the world would Harry be spending a whole book dealing with someone who's been dead for a thousand years?

Well, the goblet of fire only actually appeared in the early parts of Book 4, yet the book is named for it. Really, if you look at the titles, you don't typically get so much a main theme, but a catalyst -- the Philosopher's Stone kicks off the adventure in book one, the Chamber of Secrets is what, you could say, was the catalyst for the whole entire Voldemort war, the Prisoner of Azkaban's escape was the catalyst for the events of Book 3, Crouch messing with the goblet of fire was the catalyst for Harry's participation in the tournament and subsequent meeting with Voldemort, and then the Order of the Phoenix, you could say, was the catalyst for a lot of what happened in Book 5 -- the mistakes made as far as what they hid from Harry and what they did tell him certainly shaped what happened.

So Godric Gryffindor may not be too far off for the catalyst theory. Depending on what really did happen in the founders' time, Gryffindor could be the catalyst for the whole entire battle between Purebloods and Muggleborns!
gehayi From: gehayi Date: June 29th, 2004 09:43 am (UTC) (Link)
Off-topic, but...what is your icon signing?
sreya From: sreya Date: June 29th, 2004 10:23 am (UTC) (Link)
Oh, it's not really signing anything. Just sort of talking with its hands, and then clapping a hand over its mouth in surprise at something. It's supposed to look like me when I'm chatting on AIM... giggling over something and then being shocked by my friends. *shrug* I don't know how well it worked -- I've yet to find anyone who actually gets what it's doing!

Pseudo-on-topic (at least HP!) -- I wonder if they ever have trouble with charmed drawings being animated in ways they didn't expect them to be? :p
violet_quill From: violet_quill Date: June 29th, 2004 10:02 am (UTC) (Link)
Godric Gryffindor.

You were actually the first person I saw to mention this theory, and thusfar it's my favorite. The fact that so much of Salazar's history came out in CoS and Godric's didn't factor in as much, yet Harry pulled Godric's sword at the end - may point to there being more backstory to Godric. I like the idea in a previous comment about it having to do with the War... perhaps the pureblood dark wizards rally themselves under the flag of Salazar and the light under that of Godric, a half-blood. Hmmm. It seems unlikely to me that Salazar was a half-blood, though I guess JKR does seem to like to draw parallels in different points in history.
mafdet From: mafdet Date: June 29th, 2004 10:32 am (UTC) (Link)
I just posted an entry in my journal speculating that the "prince" is either Godric Gryffindor or Salazar Slytherin. I do not think that this individual is someone Harry knows personally, let alone a peer.

CoS was the book where the Founders appeared more prominently than anywhere else in the series. If JKR is using the working title from CoS for this book, it makes me speculate that once again we will be finding out more about the Founders.

Plus we now know that the Houses must unite in order to win this war. Now that Harry knows his life is on the line, he's going to be desperate to heal the split between Gryffindor and Slytherin in particular. I believe we are going to be doing some more delving into Hogwarts history in HBP.
persephone_kore From: persephone_kore Date: June 29th, 2004 10:41 am (UTC) (Link)
Now that Harry knows his life is on the line, he's going to be desperate to heal the split between Gryffindor and Slytherin in particular.

...I'm really not at all sure that what the hat said soaked in to the point that he's going to associate reconciling the houses with staying alive yet. Not without it getting pounded into his head again -- which is certainly a possibility and one I think I'd really enjoy seeing. *g*
mafdet From: mafdet Date: June 29th, 2004 11:18 am (UTC) (Link)
Yes, rather than Harry realizing that unity is a life-or-death matter now, this might well be the event that pounds it into his head at the end of Book 6.

And what I meant by Harry being the heir of both Gryffindor and Slytherin was not so much blood (JKR doesn't seem to put much stock in that) but he is the one who has to unite the houses. The Sorting Hat almost put him in Slytherin, after all.
riibu From: riibu Date: June 29th, 2004 10:40 am (UTC) (Link)
Wow, you've the first person whom I've seen mentioning Godric Gryffindor as the HBP. That's a brilliant theory indeed. I really like the idea of Godric being that mysterious prince now that it's sure the prince isn't Voldemort.
From: leeflower Date: June 29th, 2004 10:48 am (UTC) (Link)
completely unrelated issue:

the mobile on Jkr's desk on her site allows you to hit the keys. anyone know the number that will produce a result?
kelleypen From: kelleypen Date: June 29th, 2004 10:57 am (UTC) (Link)

write the word magic

fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 29th, 2004 10:59 am (UTC) (Link)
It's the same number you'd dial in the phone booth outside the Ministry of Magic to get in through the visitor's entrance.
From: leeflower Date: June 29th, 2004 11:02 am (UTC) (Link)
vytresna From: vytresna Date: June 29th, 2004 11:00 am (UTC) (Link)
Half-Blood Prince, eh? Interesting, I remember reading in an old interview that she was going to call Chamber of Secrets "Harry Potter and the Half-Loved Prince" until she realized it would have nothing to do with the plot... maybe someone transcribed the interview wrongly?
persephone_kore From: persephone_kore Date: June 29th, 2004 11:48 am (UTC) (Link)
Also confirmed. JKR's site now mentions that she was pleased to see some people recognized the title as a discarded Book 2 one, and the interview transcript has been corrected.
From: anatomiste Date: June 29th, 2004 11:18 am (UTC) (Link)
What I want to know is, will the first edition have the hyphen between Half and Blood where it ought to be? Or maybe this is just odd British punctuation that I don't know about. *sigh*
vytresna From: vytresna Date: June 29th, 2004 11:31 am (UTC) (Link)
Waitwaitwait wait, a Google search gave forty results, and only one of them said that this was to be the title of the sixth book. (The rest were talking about registered titles for Harry Potter without thinking that was the title, or else a summary for some children's series that began with an A.) Are you sure about this?
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 29th, 2004 11:32 am (UTC) (Link)
Yup. JKR confirmed it, and apparently it was on CNN this morning.
volandum From: volandum Date: June 29th, 2004 11:32 am (UTC) (Link)
The French is correct, but why not the Latinate "de rebus tituli" = about the matters of title?
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: June 29th, 2004 11:33 am (UTC) (Link)
I always hear "the affair of..." in French, at least from English speakers trying for a pretentious air... :p
volandum From: volandum Date: June 29th, 2004 11:35 am (UTC) (Link)
Ah, I see. Thank you.
From: cadenza622 Date: June 29th, 2004 06:12 pm (UTC) (Link)
I bet we'll all be laughing at ourselves so hard when the book finally arrives! My first thought after I read that it wasn't Harry or Voldemort, was that it was pre-Voldemort Tom Riddle. I've rejected this idea as it seems important that they're one and the same (a fact I'm well aware of, since I have to keep explaining it to a kid I babysit:)) So now I just don't know. Somehow, the idea of a historical character sits best with me, just because it seems too late to bring in another character of such importance, and the whole idea of a prince seems so, well, old-fashioned.

Anyway, about New Brunswick (since you apparently got the meme off me): whenever I hear the name, I want to cross my legs because I associate it with long, long roads without a single rest stop, and rows of single trees that are very inconvenient for squatting behind... But other than that, from the little I've seen, it's a very nice province.
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