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TDH Timeline: Does this make sense? - The Phantom Librarian
Spewing out too many words since November 2003
TDH Timeline: Does this make sense?
Why yes, I am trying to work out the muddiest of all timelines.

Dirk Cresswell seems to have been arrested about the time Harry broke into the Ministry. He met up with Griphook a few days after his escape, and Griphook said he'd put the fake Gryffindor sword in the vault a few days after Ginny, Neville, and Luna tried to steal it from Snape's office, and then left.

Harry broke into the Ministry on Sept 2.

Maybe it took a few days to get Dirk on his way to Azkaban? Because otherwise, Trio 2.0 would have had to steal the sword before they got to school.

Would it make sense if it was the very first thing they did on arrival, maybe planned on the train? Or would it make more sense that there was a good deal of time between Cresswell's papers getting proven false and him ending up on the way to Azkaban?
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littletwitchy From: littletwitchy Date: July 8th, 2011 05:17 am (UTC) (Link)
Maybe Dirk Cresswell went on the run first, then was captured and taken to Azkaban? And it was never mentioned in the books. It seems quite possible that someone secretly tipped him off that his papers were being investigated.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: July 8th, 2011 05:20 am (UTC) (Link)
I don't know--Arthur says something about "If he survives Azkaban," which I would take to mean that he's on his way. But that could be used. Slips away, then gets caught, then is on his way to Azkaban again when he gets away again?
From: severely_lupine Date: July 8th, 2011 07:50 am (UTC) (Link)
LOL. I really think that Rowling was just getting tired of it by the end and maybe didn't try as hard as she could have. I haven't read it since it came out, though, so I don't remember the details enough to offer an opinion, though I like the double-escape idea.
snorkackcatcher From: snorkackcatcher Date: July 8th, 2011 01:45 pm (UTC) (Link)
I've been trying to find or remember the reasoning in an earlier discussion on the sword-stealing expedition, but I think it worked out that it must indeed have been one of the first things they did within a week or so of getting to Hogwarts, probably planned on the train.

Ginny knew (from being present during the discussion about what Scrimgeour wanted) that Dumbledore had wanted Harry to have the Sword but he hadn't received it, and at that point she didn't have any reason to suppose that he would be completely on the run (as opposed to hiding out in 12GP or elsewhere someone might be able to deliver it to him), so it makes sense that they would try for it as quickly as possible. (I've even seen one story in which Snape and Dumbledore's portrait set up the chance for them to try to cater for the 'need and valor' requirement.)
hungrytiger11 From: hungrytiger11 Date: July 8th, 2011 02:15 pm (UTC) (Link)
I think either way is plausible. At the very least, there's going to be several days between the incarceration of Cresswell and Griphook relating the news of the sword. I mean, even if Cresswell was incarcerated the 2nd of Sept. there's likely at least a few days between that and breaking out and a few more between breaking out and meeting Griphook... So you totally have time for the trio to get to school and plan at school. A week, at least, maybe two or even three.

However, I personally find it kind of a neat idea that it was planned on the train, for several reasons. It means they don't know yet what type of torture etc. Snape and the Carrows will dish out. They also might not know what new protections are there etc. Aaaannnnddd....Snape might not have changed teh password to the headmaster's office yet, which might be helpful for the trio to get into the office. Plus, Ginny already has a reason to want the sword (Harry), so that's not out of the blue. I'd believe either scenerio you did.
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: July 8th, 2011 06:40 pm (UTC) (Link)
The problem is that he didn't escape from Azkaban, but got away from Dawlish on his way to Azkaban, which limits the time window a little.

I think maybe, inspired by the news that Snape's headmaster, they went in right after the feast. It would require Cresswell to be transported that day, and Griphook to leave right after hiding the sword, but it could work.
From: (Anonymous) Date: July 9th, 2011 01:32 am (UTC) (Link)
Does this mean you're writing Safe (or something similar set during DH)?
fernwithy From: fernwithy Date: July 9th, 2011 03:07 am (UTC) (Link)
It means I think I know a way to do it. It wouldn't be what I was expecting to do, but while I was reading, there was an extremely far away little voice going, "Pick me, pick me" and the more I listened, the more I realized that just maybe, I could make an emotionally sensible story of it.

Whether or not I can get my brain to cooperate... that's another question.
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